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DBowling wrote:

RickD wrote:For the sake of the argument, let's say you are correct, and Trump is more dishonest, corrupt, and immoral than Hillary.

Let's assume both candidates will try to implement what they say they will. Whose policies if implemented, will be more harmful to the country.

That's the real problem here. Both candidates are fundamentally dishonest and corrupt. And dishonesty and corruption in the Oval Office cannot help but damage the nation... they are like a cancer to the soul of our nation. So the answer is both Trump and Clinton have the potential to inflict tremendous damage upon our country.

That is why as a conservative, I'm choosing to vote for a principled conservative, Evan McMullin... not some liberal masquerading as a conservative.

Who actually makes it to the White House (or the Supreme Court for that matter) isn't my choice anyway. The person in control of that is God and God alone.

I may not be able to decide who becomes the next President, but I can choose to let my vote reflect my political and moral values.
And neither Clinton nor Trump reflect either my political or moral values.

Which is why I'm choosing to vote for a person who does actually come a lot closer to reflecting my political and moral values.

My .02

Can I ask DB why you sound like a liberal every since Trump won the Republican nomination? It is really hard to tell you are a conservative. I'm a conservative so you can talk to me as one conservative to another about why you won't vote for Trump.What has Trump did or said that causes you to treat him like he's a liberal? Are you sure? Don't you see the massive amounts of damage liberalism has did to America?

How long are you willing to wait for a nice politically correct Republican candidate to stop what liberals have done? Because if Trump does what he says he will,it will stop what liberals have done and will heal America.Also do you think it is possible that liberals could do so much damage to America so that it cannot be reversed?

How will it effect you DB living in a Hillary America knowing that if she does what she is running on? You can forget about doing something about abortion for at least 50 years because at least 3 and possible 5 are going to be replaced and your gun will be taken away and Christians will suffer.Hillary will flood our country with illegal immigrants and Islamic terrorists just like in Europe and these people will vote Democrat and Muslims will demand sharia law in our country like in Europe and will get their way just like in Europe.The threat of Islamic terrorist attacks will increase along with Islamic terrorist attacks.The fairness doctrine will come back which will hurt conservative talk radio,alternative news sights will be shut down which means propaganda.We must stop the threat and put America and the American people's best interests first,not their's.

We have a chance to tear down and erase much damage liberals have built up with Trump and the only way this will not happen is if Trump does not do the things he ran on.If Trump does what he has ran on? Liberalism and liberals are going to be the ones suffering instead of conservatives watching liberalism weaken and destroy America from the inside out while seeing Republicans lose and back down politically like they always do.

If Trump wins? Christians will be able to speak out and not have to worry about losing their tax exempt status.Right now,Christians cannot speak out or they would lose their tax exempt status.Everybody else has free-speech rights except Christians.Christians would be able to even join together get involved in politics from a Christian perspective and even lobby Congress for issues that are important to them.I can hear liberals screaming about separation of church and state already,can you?They could preach from the pulpit about sin in our country,etc and not worry about losing their tax exempt status.

DBowling wrote:And as we go 'down ballot' my vote will have more impact.

No it won't. All choices made by the government are up to God and God alone.

And "down ballot" -- yes, by all means, give the nominating power to Clinton. I wish I could see how the power to nominate an individual is less powerful than advise and consent, especially given the history of how that process has [not] worked.

RickD wrote:

DBowling wrote:

RickD wrote:How's that Ewan McGregor candidacy coming along?

Let's see what we've got to choose from...
Clinton - Nope
Trump - NOPE!!!!!!!
Johnson - Nope
Stein - Nope

Looks like Evan's still got my vote!

Can you just vote republican for president? You know, hold your nose, and vote for the sake of the future of the Supreme Court, for the future of the country?

Or are you going to cut off your nose, to spite your face, by voting for someone other than Trump?

Cross your hands, stomp your feet, pout, stick your fingers in your ears, and not vote for the conservative Supreme Court, only because Trump's name is on the ballot?

Do you want The End Times ASAP? Then vote for Trump.

ultimate777 wrote:

RickD wrote:

DBowling wrote:

RickD wrote:How's that Ewan McGregor candidacy coming along?

Let's see what we've got to choose from...
Clinton - Nope
Trump - NOPE!!!!!!!
Johnson - Nope
Stein - Nope

Looks like Evan's still got my vote!

Can you just vote republican for president? You know, hold your nose, and vote for the sake of the future of the Supreme Court, for the future of the country?

Or are you going to cut off your nose, to spite your face, by voting for someone other than Trump?

Cross your hands, stomp your feet, pout, stick your fingers in your ears, and not vote for the conservative Supreme Court, only because Trump's name is on the ballot?

Do you want The End Times ASAP? Then vote for Trump.

You do realize that every US President since Reagan has been the Antichrist,don't ya? Now Trump? Some still think Obama is the Antichrist,especially if he becomes the head of the UN after he leaves office. I don't believe it because I know more prophecies must be fulfilled before the rapture happens and the tribulation starts.We cannot just skim over prophecies that must be fulfilled before other ones can be fulfilled.

abelcainsbrother wrote:

DBowling wrote: That is why as a conservative, I'm choosing to vote for a principled conservative, Evan McMullin... not some liberal masquerading as a conservative.

Can I ask DB why you sound like a liberal every since Trump won the Republican nomination?

Sure... but I'm guessing you will strongly disagree with what I have to say

It is really hard to tell you are a conservative.

That probably has more to do with your perspective on things, than anything I've actually said.

You are convinced that Trump is a conservative.
Based on that perspective you have come to the conclusion that any 'real' conservative should support Trump.
I deeply oppose Trump.
So based on your perspective that means either:
1. I'm not really a conservative after all.
or
2. I may be a conservative, but I've been brainwashed by the left wing media.
Neither of those statements are true BTW.

I don't think it's that hard to tell where I'm coming from.
I support conservative values and policies.
I support conservative politicians.

I've repeatedly stated that I am voting for Evan McMullin for President.
And I am more than happy to contrast McMullin's conservative credentials and history with those of Trump.

In fact one of the many reasons that I oppose Trump is that I am convinced that he is a fraud and a con-man and not really a conservative at all.

I'm a conservative so you can talk to me as one conservative to another about why you won't vote for Trump.What has Trump did or said that causes you to treat him like he's a liberal?

I made the decision that I would never vote for Trump months ago during the Republican primaries, and I have never been bashful with my opinion of Trump.
I watched every Republican debate, and it became obvious to me very early on that Trump was a fraud who did not even understand the most basic conservative principles.
Trump's rhetoric was populist not conservative, and when tried to pretend he was conservative he repeatedly stumbled all over himself and demonstrated that he had no clue what he was talking about.

I'm not going to rehash other posts, but here's a quick overview.
Trump's has historically financially supported liberal politicians.
Trump's has historically supported liberal cultural values.
Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he simply does not understand many conservative principles.
Trump directly opposes some conservative principles.
Trump has lied repeatedly about people who are more conservative than he will ever hope to be.

Are you sure?

I am positive beyond any shadow of a doubt about two things.
1. Trump is not a conservative
2. Trump is a skilled con-man

Which is why I am voting for a real principled conservative, and not Trump.

Again... my .02

For those wrongfully criticizing DBowling for not being a conservative, that's just a bag full of dog crap!

While I don't agree that voting for someone other than Trump, has the best interest of the country in mind, voting one's conscience, and holding to one's conservative principles, doesn't make one any less conservative.

I completely understand why DBowling is voting the way he is. And it's not because he's not a conservative. If anyone wants to listen to someone who is conservative, and holds a similar position to DBowling, have a listen to Ben Shapiro talk about why he's not voting for Trump. Ben makes a good, strong, conservative based argument, as to why he can't and won't vote for Trump.

Jac3510 wrote:Yes, because Republicans have a solid history of not caving on pretty much any and every issue. Kagan, Sotomayor . . . right.

The Supreme Court has had a conservative majority since Nixon. Maybe it's not conservative enough for some here, but that doesn't make it liberal. As far as caving, I think you should give them some credit. Sure, they weren't able to lock us into a permanent state of 1955, but they gave it their all and they'll ever stop trying to turn back the clock.

Jac3510 wrote:You've always spouted the leftist talking points on Trump. I'm no Trump fan, but the idiocy that comes out of the left about him really is that: idiocy.

My main concern has always been Trump's impulsivity, recklessness, lack of knowledge, and apparent disinclination to learn. I'm not sure what's "leftist" about any of that, but whatever. If you're comfortable with that then vote for the guy. Or don't. Who cares? Arkansas is a lock for the bozo one way or the other so it really makes no difference what you do.

Jac3510 wrote:Ahah, so I'm sure you defended Alito's nomination, and you'll defend the nomination of someone like William Pryor or Diane Sykes.

The only nomination I've ever defended is Merrick Garland's, and the only argument that I've made is that the Constitution gives the President the right and responsibility to nominate him and the Senate the responsibility to give him a hearing and the right to turn him down. What they don't have is the right to run out the clock with a flipping year to go. The current Republican obstruction is literally unprecedented in the history of our nation and none of the justifications that they've given for their decision has been factually accurate.

Jac3510 wrote:There are idiots on the right who think that Clinton is a socialist/communist just like there are idiots on the left who think that Trump will start a nuclear war. And if you think that her being cozy with Wall Street and big banks is a good thing, then you've fundamentally misunderstood Trump supporters. The people on the right uncomfortable with Trump, like the Bushes, are the ones who WANT someone who is cozy with the banks. So congratz, eddy, you and the Bushes have the same vision for this country. Just another reason that Bush (both of them) were terrible POTUS'.

I never said that was my vision for the country. I simply stated a fact. As it happens, I don't care for her tight relationship with the greedy scumbags who sunk the global economy and got away clean, but for a lot of establishment Republicans it's a definite plus, just like Trump's impulsivity, recklessness, and ignorance are causes of concern.

Jac3510 wrote:The only people who agree with you are dishonest, ignorant, or simply incapable of thinking clearly.

I suppose I said that wrong. The idea I was looking to get across was that a vote for Trump is a coin toss that guarantees absolutely nothing, including the socially conservative Supreme Court that some of you yearn for, and a vote for anyone else will most likely result in a moderate court.

RickD wrote:For those wrongfully criticizing DBowling for not being a conservative, that's just a bag full of dog crap!

Agreed. I'll go a step further and state that a vote for Trump is a betrayal of the conservative cause.

RickD wrote:For those wrongfully criticizing DBowling for not being a conservative, that's just a bag full of dog crap!

While I don't agree that voting for someone other than Trump, has the best interest of the country in mind, voting one's conscience, and holding to one's conservative principles, doesn't make one any less conservative.

I completely understand why DBowling is voting the way he is. And it's not because he's not a conservative. If anyone wants to listen to someone who is conservative, and holds a similar position to DBowling, have a listen to Ben Shapiro talk about why he's not voting for Trump. Ben makes a good, strong, conservative based argument, as to why he can't and won't vote for Trump.

I, for one, don't think he isn't conservative. Political and ideological labels don't mean anything. What I do think is that he'ss unethical. Perhaps just a hair more than eddie, who is unethical for the same reasons as DB (regarding the policies he is helping make a reality), but then more because DB ought to know better. Eddie himself just continues to spout typical inconsistent drivel, but that's what we keep lefties around for, so the culpability is lower.

Jac3510 wrote:Eddie himself just continues to spout typical inconsistent drivel, but that's what we keep lefties around for, so the culpability is lower.

You keep saying that, yet you never seem to have an example...

edwardmurphy wrote:

Jac3510 wrote:Eddie himself just continues to spout typical inconsistent drivel, but that's what we keep lefties around for, so the culpability is lower.

You keep saying that, yet you never seem to have an example...

Some things are too obvious to need an example, and I wasn't directing my comment at you. Rick knows your a lefty and sees it perfectly well. For your sake, I'll provide two examples from your last post. You'll retort with nonsense, because that's what lefties do. You're entire worldview is predicated a complete hatred for rational and consistent thing. You're driven by emotion and a complete inability to see beyond your own desire to shut down real dialogue with those whom you disagree by idiotic rants, rants such as:

edwardmurphy wrote:The Supreme Court has had a conservative majority since Nixon. Maybe it's not conservative enough for some here, but that doesn't make it liberal. As far as caving, I think you should give them some credit. Sure, they weren't able to lock us into a permanent state of 1955, but they gave it their all and they'll ever stop trying to turn back the clock.

Rants. That's just demonization. It's just blitheringly stupid leftist talking points with absolutely no rational thought behind it. Merely bestial bellows fit for the slavery to the baser nature that is leftism.

And this:

My main concern has always been Trump's impulsivity, recklessness, lack of knowledge, and apparent disinclination to learn.

More idiocy. Frankly, I stopped reading after this. This is the depth of "thought" from liberals. I want to call liberalism retarded, but that would be an insult to the mentally handicapped, for they at least have an excuse for their failure to function fully on a rational level. That is, they have an actual disorder. You have no excuse.

And that's why I don't argue with you, eddie. I label you a leftist and move on, because there's nothing worth commenting on in your posts.

Jac3510 wrote:

edwardmurphy wrote:The Supreme Court has had a conservative majority since Nixon. Maybe it's not conservative enough for some here, but that doesn't make it liberal. As far as caving, I think you should give them some credit. Sure, they weren't able to lock us into a permanent state of 1955, but they gave it their all and they'll ever stop trying to turn back the clock.

Rants. That's just demonization. It's just blitheringly stupid leftist talking points with absolutely no rational thought behind it. Merely bestial bellows fit for the slavery to the baser nature that is leftism.

That wasn't a rant. It was a fact - SCOTUS has been conservative since Nixon - followed by a smart-assed comment. Try B.W. for rants. I lean toward sarcasm and brevity.

Also, when you start up with your anti-leftist thing you sound like an idiot extremist.

Jac3510 wrote:And this:

My main concern has always been Trump's impulsivity, recklessness, lack of knowledge, and apparent disinclination to learn.

More idiocy. Frankly, I stopped reading after this. This is the depth of "thought" from liberals. I want to call liberalism retarded, but that would be an insult to the mentally handicapped, for they at least have an excuse for their failure to function fully on a rational level. That is, they have an actual disorder. You have no excuse.

That would be a pretty snappy riposte if lots of conservatives weren't saying the same thing. Are they leftists now, too?

Jac3510 wrote:And that's why I don't argue with you, eddie. I label you a leftist and move on, because there's nothing worth commenting on in your posts.

Thanks for the insight, Jacass.

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

DBowling wrote: That is why as a conservative, I'm choosing to vote for a principled conservative, Evan McMullin... not some liberal masquerading as a conservative.

Can I ask DB why you sound like a liberal every since Trump won the Republican nomination?

Sure... but I'm guessing you will strongly disagree with what I have to say :)

It is really hard to tell you are a conservative.

That probably has more to do with your perspective on things, than anything I've actually said.

You are convinced that Trump is a conservative.
Based on that perspective you have come to the conclusion that any 'real' conservative should support Trump.
I deeply oppose Trump.
So based on your perspective that means either:
1. I'm not really a conservative after all.
or
2. I may be a conservative, but I've been brainwashed by the left wing media.
Neither of those statements are true BTW.

I don't think it's that hard to tell where I'm coming from.
I support conservative values and policies.
I support conservative politicians.

I've repeatedly stated that I am voting for Evan McMullin for President.
And I am more than happy to contrast McMullin's conservative credentials and history with those of Trump.

In fact one of the many reasons that I oppose Trump is that I am convinced that he is a fraud and a con-man and not really a conservative at all.

I'm a conservative so you can talk to me as one conservative to another about why you won't vote for Trump.What has Trump did or said that causes you to treat him like he's a liberal?

I made the decision that I would never vote for Trump months ago during the Republican primaries, and I have never been bashful with my opinion of Trump.
I watched every Republican debate, and it became obvious to me very early on that Trump was a fraud who did not even understand the most basic conservative principles.
Trump's rhetoric was populist not conservative, and when tried to pretend he was conservative he repeatedly stumbled all over himself and demonstrated that he had no clue what he was talking about.

I'm not going to rehash other posts, but here's a quick overview.
Trump's has historically financially supported liberal politicians.
Trump's has historically supported liberal cultural values.
Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he simply does not understand many conservative principles.
Trump directly opposes some conservative principles.
Trump has lied repeatedly about people who are more conservative than he will ever hope to be.

Are you sure?

I am positive beyond any shadow of a doubt about two things.
1. Trump is not a conservative
2. Trump is a skilled con-man

Which is why I am voting for a real principled conservative, and not Trump.

Again... my .02

First off,let me make it clear that I respect your right to vote anyway you choose,but you have sounded like a liberal to me based on what I think are liberal tactics that I think you are using against Trump.Now if you are a true conservative? Then I should not have to explain the liberal biased machine we conservatives know all about. We know all about the bias,lies,slander and smear tactics they use.We know how many Republicans they used these tactics against.

But me and you never really discussed why you refuse to vote for Trump and how you can claim he is not running as a conservative as you seem to think.

I never said you were not conservative because I knew you have said you were awhile back so you can rule out 1. But when it comes to 2? Maybe the liberal news media did not brainwash you,but you still should be able to see liberal tactics in the media. This is one reason why I like Trump because the media has been unfairly biased to him compared to Amy other candidate in this entire race. So I would expect you to pick up on how unfair it has been to Trump. I mean sure you may not think he is a conservative and so you do not really care how the media bias has been so unfair to Trump. When did Megyn Kelly at Fox News set-up any of the other candidates especially Ted Cruz. She only did it to Trump trying to take him out. And I think it might have worked but Trump faught back against it. Now sure Trump did get a lot of media attention,but it greatly increased the ratings of the news networks and Trump did stuff to draw attention to himself by hitting back after he was attacked first.

I really feel like that you never had the real truth about Ted Cruz because of the media bias. I had to do my own research to find out the truth about Ted Cruz because of the media bias and I did. But there is no way you could have known what Ted Cruz was hiding unless you did your own research because the media nit-picked Trump,both the right and left,so that there is no way we voters could make an educated vote if we only listened to them. I was not sure at first if I should believe the things about Ted Cruz but later,he made it clear the info was correct. Yet nobody hardly knew because of the bias in the media on both sides.

I considered that Trump was just a conman too,but the unfair bias and nit-picking of Trump by them caused me to not believe a lot of the things they were saying. I know unfair liberal biased tactics even if certain Republicans are doing it and I thought how at any other time can they get mad about bias in the liberal media while doing the very same thing to Trump?It makes them seem like a fraud and they should know better. None of the ones on the right against Trump scrutinized Ted Cruz like they did Trump and they were ignoring things about Ted Cruz. I listened to Glen Beck ,etc and was appalled at the biased liberal,unfair smear tactics and out right lies about Trump,while giving Ted Cruz a very gentle conservative evaluation like he did. And Trump was the better choice based on what I knew that they were ignoring.

Honesty is very important to me and so when Trump admitted early in the race that as a business man who gave money to both republicans and Democrats as a business man,it was honesty unlike with Ted Cruz.But you are leaving off he gave more to Republicans like both Ted Cruz and Rubio,etc. He donated money so that they could win. And as a businessman it is important to get along with politicians in both parties and so it does not bother me,especially when he was honest about it.

Again Trump admitted he once supported abortion but changed his mind based on a conversation he had with a family member but if he really appoints the judges he has said he is going to? It is a fixed problem even if he himself still supports on the inside,which I doubt.

Trump doesn't understand many conservative principles? Can you name a Republican candidate since Reagan that has? Because I can't,so why is Trump the problem when he has not even been given a chance yet? He sure sounds conservative to me. Tax cuts,check,strong military,check,putting America and the American people first,check,health savings accounts with competition,check,securing and keeping America safe,conservative Supreme Court judges,check. So I really do not understand how you say he's not conservative. The only difference is his stance on illegal immigration really,but conservative Michael Savage has been railing about borders,language and culture every since he's been the Savage Nation and he is conservative and will call out Republicans not just liberals when they are not being conservative like they should. He's been one of my favorites for years,he does not carry water for Republicans like others do when they are not being coinservatoive and are doing great harm to America. Trump's whole campaign is borders,language and culture and his ideas come right out of Michael Savage books.

Lies Trump told? How about Ted Cruz lying about Ben Carson like he did? Yes,he apologized,but it hurt. And after he attacked Trump in the debates first all Trump did tell the truth about how in the Bush administration Ted Cruz pushed for Bush to nominate John Roberts to the Supreme Court,he was a big reason Bush nominated Roberts,Ted Cruz was like an advisor, advising Bush to nominate John Roberts who has voted for Obamacare twice. So when Ted Cruz had the chance to push for a real conservative he dropped the ball.But he lied and denied he did it. Trump did not call him Lyin' Ted for nothing.Now we have Crooked Hillary. You agree about Hillary,but not Cruz when it comes to being an honest conservative,especially when he's preaching about Jesus trying to get the evangelical vote at the same time. This is why I knew Trump was the better choice,he's not perfect but is more honest.

Just a couple of comments...

abelcainsbrother wrote: When did Megyn Kelly at Fox News set-up any of the other candidates especially Ted Cruz. She only did it to Trump trying to take him out.

Did you ever watch the Republican debate that Trump skipped out on?
Kelly went after both Rubio and Cruz with her 'video clip' set-up questions.
She did exactly the same thing to Rubio and Cruz in that debate that she later did to Trump.

Kelly is an equal opportunity interrogator.

Trump did not call him Lyin' Ted for nothing.Now we have Crooked Hillary. You agree about Hillary,but not Cruz when it comes to being an honest conservative

I think you must be misremembering something here.
I have never been a fan of Cruz.
I think the nicest thing I ever said about Cruz during the primaries was I would 'hold my nose' and vote for him over Hillary.

The Presidential candidate that I cast a vote for this year during the primaries was Kasich.

My .02

DBowling wrote:Just a couple of comments...

abelcainsbrother wrote: When did Megyn Kelly at Fox News set-up any of the other candidates especially Ted Cruz. She only did it to Trump trying to take him out.

Did you ever watch the Republican debate that Trump skipped out on?
Kelly went after both Rubio and Cruz with her 'video clip' set-up questions.
She did exactly the same thing to Rubio and Cruz in that debate that she later did to Trump.

Kelly is an equal opportunity interrogator.

Trump did not call him Lyin' Ted for nothing.Now we have Crooked Hillary. You agree about Hillary,but not Cruz when it comes to being an honest conservative

I think you must be misremembering something here.
I have never been a fan of Cruz.
I think the nicest thing I ever said about Cruz during the primaries was I would 'hold my nose' and vote for him over Hillary.

The Presidential candidate that I cast a vote for this year during the primaries was Kasich.

My .02

I did not see Megyn Kelly try to take them out like she did Trump.I was just wanting fairness. I have no problem with them all being scrutinized but it seem to me to be only Trump.I did for some reason think you were for Cruz,but I think it would have been Ted Cruz winning the nomination if it wasn't for Trump. I never seen Kasich as one that could win though. I think he could've been Hillary's VP. Anyway I respect your choice,eventhogh I disagree,but that is OK. I really think you're going to like Trump after some time if he wins though,I think you'll realize he is good for America.We can agree to disagree.