Evidence for God from Science

RickD wrote:

melanie wrote:You know Rick and I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but I think that thought out argument is not really very conservative at all.
A closet leftard?

Mel,

Why is it ok only for the left to hate confederate honoring statues?

It shouldn't even be a right vs left issue.

It should be a right vs wrong issue.

Rick I was kidding and being facetious
I actually said in my previous post that it wasn't a question of sides. It's wrong that it's been portrayed to be.
I think you are right, the question of history, racism and monuments that commemorate such is a question of right and wrong but I also think really well meaning people have opinions on both sides.
I agree that a museum is an appropriate place for these statues to reside but not everyone will see it that way and that's a debate for the American people on a social and political platform.
What is wrong, emphatically is the Klu Klax Klan marching at night with torches and hoods alongside neo nazi's and the far right wing. It was an organised rally that was a collaborative effort of the KKK and some far right factions.
That is indicative of how politics and the right wing has evolved in our current atmosphere, I'm not excusing far left extemists or their questionable ideology but it is the far right that has my attention as a result of their rhetoric and behaviour.
Patriotism and nationalism has given way to a very dangerous mindset. In Australia there have been rallies organised by 'Reclaim Australia' a self confessed nationalist right wing faction that garners publicity through social media. At these rallies there have been openly white supremacists and neo nazis, obvious by their swastika's marching alongside Grandmother's and children.
The right wing, nationalists have by association aligned themselves with nazi's.
Nazis are always on the wrong side of history.
The KKK are always on the wrong side of any 'side' of a debate.
White supremacists always represent an ugly side of humanity.
So if this discussion or any discussion comes down to be a battle between 'sides' it's a pretty safe bet that whatever side the KKK, white supremacists and neo nazis side with is NOT the 'right' side.

RickD wrote:The area in which I live, is largely conservative. So, most radio talk shows are of the conservative nature. I constantly hear conservatives on these shows, complain about leftists and liberals who want the statues that honor confederates, removed.

Am I the only conservative that thinks that traitors, and those fighting for the cause of slavery, should not have a statue honoring them, and what they did?

Museums are the proper place to display the history of slavery in our country. Not monuments honoring this atrocity. Would Germany display a statue of Heinrich Himmler, honoring him?

I agree that museums are the right place but you know what they say when you start comparing things to Nazis to make a point...

PaulSacramento wrote:

RickD wrote:The area in which I live, is largely conservative. So, most radio talk shows are of the conservative nature. I constantly hear conservatives on these shows, complain about leftists and liberals who want the statues that honor confederates, removed.

Am I the only conservative that thinks that traitors, and those fighting for the cause of slavery, should not have a statue honoring them, and what they did?

Museums are the proper place to display the history of slavery in our country. Not monuments honoring this atrocity. Would Germany display a statue of Heinrich Himmler, honoring him?

I agree that museums are the right place but you know what they say when you start comparing things to Nazis to make a point...

What does who say?

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

RickD wrote:The area in which I live, is largely conservative. So, most radio talk shows are of the conservative nature. I constantly hear conservatives on these shows, complain about leftists and liberals who want the statues that honor confederates, removed.

Am I the only conservative that thinks that traitors, and those fighting for the cause of slavery, should not have a statue honoring them, and what they did?

Museums are the proper place to display the history of slavery in our country. Not monuments honoring this atrocity. Would Germany display a statue of Heinrich Himmler, honoring him?

I agree that museums are the right place but you know what they say when you start comparing things to Nazis to make a point...

What does who say?

When you play the "nazi card" it usually means your argument is not very strong.

PaulSacramento wrote:

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

RickD wrote:The area in which I live, is largely conservative. So, most radio talk shows are of the conservative nature. I constantly hear conservatives on these shows, complain about leftists and liberals who want the statues that honor confederates, removed.

Am I the only conservative that thinks that traitors, and those fighting for the cause of slavery, should not have a statue honoring them, and what they did?

Museums are the proper place to display the history of slavery in our country. Not monuments honoring this atrocity. Would Germany display a statue of Heinrich Himmler, honoring him?

I agree that museums are the right place but you know what they say when you start comparing things to Nazis to make a point...

What does who say?

When you play the "nazi card" it usually means your argument is not very strong.

So instead of seeing if the comparison is valid,it's automatically dismissed if it's a Nazi comparison?

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

RickD wrote:The area in which I live, is largely conservative. So, most radio talk shows are of the conservative nature. I constantly hear conservatives on these shows, complain about leftists and liberals who want the statues that honor confederates, removed.

Am I the only conservative that thinks that traitors, and those fighting for the cause of slavery, should not have a statue honoring them, and what they did?

Museums are the proper place to display the history of slavery in our country. Not monuments honoring this atrocity. Would Germany display a statue of Heinrich Himmler, honoring him?

I agree that museums are the right place but you know what they say when you start comparing things to Nazis to make a point...

What does who say?

When you play the "nazi card" it usually means your argument is not very strong.

So instead of seeing if the comparison is valid,it's automatically dismissed if it's a Nazi comparison?

Sorry but the left has totally lost its ability to be taken seriously with the way they have acted since Donald Trump won.This issue is not about race really as the left uses the race card against every Republican.They called George W Bush a racist too and now they are just using it against Trump and his supporters.This is just what the left uses against those on the right.The majority of Americans are not thinking about race they are worried about jobs,economy and oppurtunity.Besides ANTIFA is being funded by George Soros who is known to fund these kinds of groups to cause civil war and he has done it many of times in other countries and now he is trying it in America.It is not even genuine protesting but these people are being paid to protest.The best thing Americans can do is to unite and not let this divide us because they want to divide us.

Well:
https://amp.timeinc.net/time/4521241/gh ... -removing/

The statue, which was unveiled by Indian President Pranab Mukherjee during his visit to Ghana in June, was meant to symbolize friendship between the two countries, according to Ghana’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. But professors and students at the University of Ghana called the statue “a slap in the face” because of Gandhi’s “racist identity.” They started an online petition calling for the statue’s removal.

The petition, which had more than 1,700 supporters on Thursday, cited letters Gandhi wrote during his time in South Africa as evidence that he advocated for the superiority of Indians over black Africans. It also took issue with his use of the derogatory term kaffir to refer to native Africans and criticized the lack of statues of African heroes and heroines on campus.

Next up:
A known communist and adulterer !
Martin Luther King Jr.

PaulSacramento wrote:Next up:
A known communist and adulterer !
Martin Luther King Jr.

The left likes communism, so MLK can stay!

Coming up next:
Knock down statue of *insert non-socialist here* and erect statue of Karl Marx

RickD wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:Next up:
A known communist and adulterer !
Martin Luther King Jr.

The left likes communism, so MLK can stay!

I don't know man, he was anti-gay marriage.

You guys are silly.

MLK was no more or less flawed than George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, or any other great American. Washington and Jefferson had slaves. MLK, FDR, and JFK had affairs. LBJ was always waving his junk at people. Reagan had Iran-Contra. Grant was a drunk. And on and on we go. Dig deep enough and you find that all of our heroes were flawed and fallible.

The question then, is whether or not those flaws were sufficient to nullify their accomplishments. If a guy owns slaves and is also the Father of our country or the author of our Constitution then we're talking about a flawed hero and his statue can stay. If a guy served honorably in the Mexican War and then led an armed rebellion against our elected government then we're talking about a traitor and he's undeserving of public monuments.

Seems simple enough...

Ed,

Keep talking like that, and your leftist comrades will disown you. Maybe B. W. has rubbed off on you.

The majority of my leftist comrades agree with me. People looking to pull down statues of the Founders are on the leftward fringe, much like the clowns flying Confederate flag used to be on the rightward fringe.

edwardmurphy wrote:You guys are silly.

MLK was no more or less flawed than George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, or any other great American. Washington and Jefferson had slaves. MLK, FDR, and JFK had affairs. LBJ was always waving his junk at people. Reagan had Iran-Contra. Grant was a drunk. And on and on we go. Dig deep enough and you find that all of our heroes were flawed and fallible.

The question then, is whether or not those flaws were sufficient to nullify their accomplishments. If a guy owns slaves and is also the Father of our country or the author of our Constitution then we're talking about a flawed hero and his statue can stay. If a guy served honorably in the Mexican War and then led an armed rebellion against our elected government then we're talking about a traitor and he's undeserving of public monuments.

Seems simple enough...

Who gets to decide these things Ed?