Evidence for God from Science

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:47 pm

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 am Read the Bible for what it Says?
You mix the laws when it’s convinent and when it’s jot you are not. The 10 says remember. If you go to the ceremonial laws as well it says do not work (part of the mosaic laws) what he meant by do not work was basically do not light fire because it was considered hard work back then ( had to go to the woods, cut trees , carry them, pile them , work hours to try and light it) which is why it was forbidden.
If someone has a grain fiend and he goes plucking this my friend
counts as work.

This abundantly shows your inability to see what was actually happening vs. what you THINK was happening. Of course it counts as work when one goes plucking grain in THEIR OWN field...to do so is to gather it for SELLING. It is the manner in which the owner makes money. However, as you, I'm sure, know, Jesus owned nothing. The disciples were PLUCKED from their manner of WORK in order to do the work of God...which paid them no salary. So when the disciples and Jesus pluck grain from a field to EAT, they are not working, but rather simply feeding themselves...against which there is no law...is there?

None sense.
There is no difference between owned field or non owned field and actually plucking to eat from a non owned field would be considered theft.

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 am Not true at all. There was no salvation before Christ. People was counted righteous yes. But there was no heaven to go to yet and no gods family yet. People who actually read the Bible know this the dead righteous didn’t go to heaven when died during OT times.

Technically, there's no salvation after Christ either! Actual Salvation comes at death ( if one believes that at death we go to heaven, which I don't ) or at Christ's second coming ( Revelation 22:12 ). Has Christ's second coming occurred? If you're saved, then you are now immortal. Are you? We are assured of salvation through Christ and some might even allude to that as HAVING salvation, but yet if we actually HAD salvation, we wouldn't be in the body of sin, would we?

Jesus said trust in my promsisis and rejoice in your salvation heck the helmet of salvation which I’m wearing right now. Therefore I am saved.

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 am God said remember meaning remember . There is no need to simplify it. Rest of the instructions were given as part of the mosaic law and and the old covenant.

Wrong. The 10 are specific and separate...hence why the tablets were put into the Arc of the...the...the what?
( Revelation 11:19 - when is this seen? )
The ark of the covenant. Which proves you wrong. (Was a part of the covenant or else they wouldn’t put it in an ark of the covenant would they?)

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 am As I said the I’m the New Testament Jesus is quoting these laws many times and leaving shabath one out on porpoise. There is no reason to ignore this. You say we “shove aside” yet you ignore the whole New Testament.

I agree. Christ didn't mention the Sabbath in a law context. He just lived it.
He did mention a lot of other laws as well as living them. Therefore.....

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 am Also that is exactly what you are saying . If there was salvation during OT times Jesus has died for nothing .

It's the same salvation we have today...based on something we have FAITH in.
Wrong. God has never promised salvation to the righteous of OT times.
Like Jesus has said he’s the truth the way and the life. Only through him one has access to salvation.

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 am There is no need for the 10 commandments today they are all included in 2 commandments. Jesus says do not me.

1. Love your God with all your heart soul and mind.
2. Love your neighbors as you love yourself.
Who are our beihboors? Everyone.
If we love one another we will not kill steal covet and all the things mentioned in the 10 commandments therefore obsolete.

The Law is SUMMED UP...the Law was never removed.

The first 4 deal with how we are to honor/love God.
The last 6 deal with how we honor/love each other.

You do not need to elaborte . The spirit is righteous remember?

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 am As I said I didn’t come to argue the Bible. I’m sharing what I know.
I know that I can’t change your mind. But leaving this here for future reference and so that people can study on their own.

You can't, but if you present a clear WORD from God, it will. I'm pretty sure you have nothing in scripture the likes of how God instituted the 10 to remove them as law.

You have yet to show me or anyone reading here how the 10 go from pointing at righteousness to NOT pointing at righteousness and therefore removed. ( Romans 3:20,21 Romans 7:12 ) What is removed, is the CURSE the Law brings upon anyone found to be in transgression thereof. ( Galatians 3:13 )

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:05 pm No need to prove anything since you yourself said you don’t believe we go to heaven therefore this discussion is of no use.
I’m sure someone who’s actually looking for truth will find it within what I’m says no. You are not looking thereof.

Kurieuo wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 5:02 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 6:22 pm All kidding aside, I once had a Lays potato chip that looked like the Virgin Mary. Was that a sign?

I believe it was, because that very day I prayed the rosary, then won $20 on a scratch ticket!

LittleHamster wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 1:34 am

RickD wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 6:22 pm All kidding aside, I once had a Lays potato chip that looked like the Virgin Mary. Was that a sign?

I believe it was, because that very day I prayed the rosary, then won $20 on a scratch ticket!

I bet if you got the one shown below, you would've lost on that scratchie.

RickD wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:26 am No more joking around! We have a bigger problem than holy potato chips. BavarianWheels seems to have completely ignored the book of Galatians (among others), which testifies against his belief that Christians should be following the law given to the nation of Israel.

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:04 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:26 am No more joking around! We have a bigger problem than holy potato chips. BavarianWheels seems to have completely ignored the book of Galatians (among others), which testifies against his belief that Christians should be following the law given to the nation of Israel.

I don't, but it would be interesting for you to show exactly where scripture states the Law is NO MORE, removed...as in the same context that it was instituted...that it NO LONGER points to righteousness and/or sin, depending on what side of the Law one stands.

What is clear is that Christ came to remove the CURSE of the law, NOT the law itself...and He never removed it in any sense that it was instituted...by CLEAR word and ACT by God as in the Sinai establishing of it.
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RickD wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:28 am

BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:04 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:26 am No more joking around! We have a bigger problem than holy potato chips. BavarianWheels seems to have completely ignored the book of Galatians (among others), which testifies against his belief that Christians should be following the law given to the nation of Israel.

I don't, but it would be interesting for you to show exactly where scripture states the Law is NO MORE, removed...as in the same context that it was instituted...that it NO LONGER points to righteousness and/or sin, depending on what side of the Law one stands.

What is clear is that Christ came to remove the CURSE of the law, NOT the law itself...and He never removed it in any sense that it was instituted...by CLEAR word and ACT by God as in the Sinai establishing of it.
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And there's your problem. I'm not saying the law is removed. Christians were never under the law, so to say it was removed, is not the issue.

The law was given to the nation of Israel. The physical nation of Israel. Not spiritual Israel.

God still has plans for Israel. The church has not replaced Israel.

Would you like me to post specific verses to show you that Christians are not under the law?

I figured that since you are an SDA, you would've heard the arguments against your judaizing beliefs by now.

B. W. wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:55 am Bav and I batted this topic around already. Last time we left in peace. As long as someone loves the Lord we can respect each others positions and leave it at that. That's how we ended this between myself and Bav years ago. He wants to worship on Saturday, fine, he does so because he loves the Lord and likewise if those who love the Lord do so on another day - fine. Be at peace.

The pharisees turned the sabbath day into a work of the law that men and women must work hard to keep. Later developed into things like, can't turn on the light switch at home or feed the dog or farm animals if one owns a farm but okay to hire non believers to work on the sabbath to do those things for you as long as you wait till Monday to pay them. Cooking a meal was considered as violation of sabbath law and punishable.

That sabbath was never meant to be turned into work to prevent work such as cooking cleaning, washing clothes, feeding animals, turning on the lights or lighting a candle, saving a life, taking care of medical emergencies, and host of other things to be right in God's sight. Just a day to take a rest to rejuvenate a person...
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BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 8:02 am

B. W. wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:55 am Bav and I batted this topic around already. Last time we left in peace. As long as someone loves the Lord we can respect each others positions and leave it at that. That's how we ended this between myself and Bav years ago. He wants to worship on Saturday, fine, he does so because he loves the Lord and likewise if those who love the Lord do so on another day - fine. Be at peace.

The pharisees turned the sabbath day into a work of the law that men and women must work hard to keep. Later developed into things like, can't turn on the light switch at home or feed the dog or farm animals if one owns a farm but okay to hire non believers to work on the sabbath to do those things for you as long as you wait till Monday to pay them. Cooking a meal was considered as violation of sabbath law and punishable.

That sabbath was never meant to be turned into work to prevent work such as cooking cleaning, washing clothes, feeding animals, turning on the lights or lighting a candle, saving a life, taking care of medical emergencies, and host of other things to be right in God's sight. Just a day to take a rest to rejuvenate a person...
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...and I respect any and all Christians with regard to their personal beliefs, but if I'm being asked, I'm going to state my position...and it is scriptural as no person has ever been able to point to any text that does the opposite what the Sinai act of God did.
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mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 8:48 am Agreed.
What I don’t agree is the worship. We are to worship everyday it’s not just a Saturday thing.