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Why do you, a "cultic" Catholic, worship on Sunday?
BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:47 pmWhy do you, a "cultic" Catholic, worship on Sunday?
Does your reason for doing so match up to that of Rome's Challenge ?
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You don't have to re re re engage, but I respectfully request an answer to the question.Byblos wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:38 pmBavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:47 pmWhy do you, a "cultic" Catholic, worship on Sunday?
Does your reason for doing so match up to that of Rome's Challenge ?
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Lol, Bav. That's just not gonna happen. I have neither the time nor the energy to re re re engage with you on this subject.
I'll leave that for Rick.
Here, Little Hamster. There are links to other articles at the bottom of this article.LittleHamster wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm I read the Rome Challenge! It's conclusion is:-
"that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and Seventh-day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self-defense for his substitution of
Sunday for Saturday."
What does it mean ? Is it bad to change the day of rest? Is it a sin to worship/rest on a different day?
RickD wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 7:04 pmHere, Little Hamster. There are links to other articles at the bottom of this article.LittleHamster wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm I read the Rome Challenge! It's conclusion is:-
"that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and Seventh-day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self-defense for his substitution of
Sunday for Saturday."
What does it mean ? Is it bad to change the day of rest? Is it a sin to worship/rest on a different day?
It means that if the Law points to sin...as Romans tells us a few times, that to do something against what the Law says is to sin.LittleHamster wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm I read the Rome Challenge! It's conclusion is:-
"that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and Seventh-day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self-defense for his substitution of
Sunday for Saturday."
What does it mean ? Is it bad to change the day of rest? Is it a sin to worship/rest on a different day?
I did exactly the opposite of what Paul said ! It was a bit of a disaster though. I found out the hard way that those who are freed from the "curse of the law", (excuse the expression) "get their a*se reamed if they step out of line"BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 7:22 pmIt means that if the Law points to sin...as Romans tells us a few times, that to do something against what the Law says is to sin.LittleHamster wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm I read the Rome Challenge! It's conclusion is:-
"that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and Seventh-day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self-defense for his substitution of
Sunday for Saturday."
What does it mean ? Is it bad to change the day of rest? Is it a sin to worship/rest on a different day?
But again, to follow the law is not to expect the law to save us...and Paul says, “then what? Do we nullify the law? No, we uphold it.” ( my version of Romans 3:31 )
It all depends on what you will do with God’s law...that’s it. Will you do as Paul says to do...or will you do as man tells you to do...that we are “no longer under law”...therefore it’s ok to do what the law says is sinful.
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I did exactly the opposite of what Paul said ! It was a bit of a disaster though. I found out the hard way that those who are freed from the "curse of the law", (excuse the expression) "get their a*se reamed if they step out of line". But worshiping/resting on any particular day didn't/doesn't seem to matter.BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 7:22 pmIt means that if the Law points to sin...as Romans tells us a few times, that to do something against what the Law says is to sin.LittleHamster wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 6:41 pm I read the Rome Challenge! It's conclusion is:-
"that of those who follow the Bible as their guide, the Israelites and Seventh-day Adventists have the exclusive weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self-defense for his substitution of
Sunday for Saturday."
What does it mean ? Is it bad to change the day of rest? Is it a sin to worship/rest on a different day?
But again, to follow the law is not to expect the law to save us...and Paul says, “then what? Do we nullify the law? No, we uphold it.” ( my version of Romans 3:31 )
It all depends on what you will do with God’s law...that’s it. Will you do as Paul says to do...or will you do as man tells you to do...that we are “no longer under law”...therefore it’s ok to do what the law says is sinful.
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Well, I was worshiping on Tuesday, resting on Sunday, and sermons on Saturday. But I found it better to worship on Monday better than Tuesday. At one stage, I ended up worshipping on Thursday, resting Monday-Friday, and working on Saturday-Sunday.
Jesus broke the Sabbath as well.BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 7:32 amAre you suggesting that God only owns a small portion of land and only a select ( by DNA ) group of people? Not hardly...let this sink in...the Sabbath was made holy prior to any "family"...but the parents of all humanity and before all of God's creative work. So that means God is God of the heavens and the....neo-x wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:48 pm Bav I think you are missing the bigger picture here. Consider this, "There is no jew..." stop and let that sink in, please.
The 10 were given to a specific family of people. Any gentile following them out of exodus had to follow the 10 not because he was given them but because he was living among Jews. I live in a Muslim country where when there is a public prayer, I have to switch off the music because everyone does. The same way I can't eat our during their lent, the same way they can't. It is not because I am a Muslim but living among them I have to honour the law or rule. But it would be silly of me to claim that I follow the Muslim rules because they were given to me, which you are advocating for by your reasoning.
It's interesting to me how quickly we make God's law "luggage" and to then qualify the breaking of the Sabbath because Paul "often broke the Sabbath"?!? OF COURSE HE DID...Paul was a SINNER! There is no manner in which Paul can keep the Sabbath perfectly. It is impossible with a sin nature...and while we are in this body, we have a sin nature.
According to my bible, Exodus 31:18 gives the impression that God used His finger. Does God have a literal finger? That God ( Jesus ) sure does. Did He then? I don't know, however if in a figurative sense, the language is probably used to convey it was not only God's will, but so much so that He wrote it Himself instead of dictating the words to Moses.neo-x wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:48 pm P.S.
And what is this about God having a finger? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? You mean there is a nail, bone and flesh on God's finger? Why does God have a finger, to begin with?
It's ridiculous that you are advocating for something like this as if God's finger gives the ten, some greater speciality. Moses himself broke the first set of tablets.
I don't give the 10 some greater 'speciality', it is God's word that does...scripture as recorded.
So then you understand why the bible says that the people before the law was given, were not held accountable for their sins when there was no law to define sin...yet the bible says they still sinned. But there's one law that specifically includes some interesting wording that isn't in the rest...can you pick that law out?
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What's so special about Saturday in itself? Even though the Israelites used a seven-day week, since that doesn't correspond exactly to anything in nature the pattern of weeks could have been altered at some stage so we're now out of step - in other words, today (Wednesday or whatever) exactly 156,000 weeks (3000 years) ago could have been the first day of the week (whatever they called it) for the Israelites. There's nothing in the name 'Saturday' either because that's after Saturn. What I'm trying to say is, though the Old Testament says to rest every 7th day, those cycles could begin and end at any time in the week.BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 12:47 pmWhy do you, a "cultic" Catholic, worship on Sunday?
Does your reason for doing so match up to that of Rome's Challenge ?
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I just thought there was some logic here that wasn't being spelled out. I mean, if the exact day is that important for keeping the Sabbath, we need to determine which is the right day. We can't just go by the names of the days because the Israelites had different names for them. Therefore we need to ensure every Sabbath is a multiple of seven days since the seventh day of creation, otherwise it's not a genuine Sabbath. However, we can't be sure that such is the case with any given Saturday (or Sunday). Logical?
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