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edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:21 pm Dear Stu,

I don't ever recall defending Antifa. Perhaps from your position of extreme tribalism you think that any criticism of Donald Trump, the Alt-right, White nationalists, or whoever includes an implicit endorsement of Antifa, Maxine Waters, and the government of Venezuela. That's not the case. Donald Trump sucks and so does Antifa. Both are doing damage to our democracy, and I wish they'd shut up and go away.

So what do you hope to accomplish by cherry picking examples of people on the left behaving badly while ignoring examples of equally heinous behavior from people on the right? Do you think that that's an honest and sincere approach to debating our political differences?

Dear B.W.,

Your version of cultural Marxism is a vapid conspiracy theory. I don't expect you to realize that, having spent so much time so far down the Rabbit Hole, but I encourage anyone who's not already cracked beyond repair to take a few minutes to look at what cultural Marxism actually meant to the intellectuals who coined the phrase all those years ago. Basically their concern was that television, pop culture, restaurant chains, and the like were making us stupid robots, stripped of our individuality and our ability to think critically. If you think that the United States was a better place before Kim Kardashian, Wal*Mart, and Sixteen and Pregnant airing on the Learning Channel then you side with the real cultural Marxists, whether you know it or not. You're clutching your pearls over less than nothing, as usual.

And that right there is your problem, B.W. You live in your own little world, and you protect it by surrounding yourself with lies. Your notion that Obamacare is the first step on the slippery slope to the US becoming Venezuela is a lie that you've accepted, made your own, and now disseminate proudly. The idea that liberals hate America and want to see our country collapse into a Third World hellhole is another of your lies. You've never heard a liberal say that, and I sure as [poop] don't feel that way, yet you consistently claim otherwise. You either heard that from some other lunatic, or you made it up yourself. Either way, it's an evil, destructive, bold-faced lie. The claim that socialism, communism, and fascism are all the same thing is another lie, as is the claim that Americans who favor the kinds of social programs that we see working in Europe want to turn the US into the Soviet Union. You're buried so deep in fear, lies, conspiracy theories, and empty slogans that you have no idea what actual liberals really believe about anything. Not that it matters, mind you, because in your mind we're the enemy, so anything you say about us, no matter how insulting, dishonest, or harmful, is completely justified.

And now we come to the place where you say that I'm wrong, and then prove your point by producing a few examples of liberals acting like lunatics and/or a-holes* and claiming that they prove that we're all like that. That's another lie, B.W. This is a nation of 300+ million people, of whom more than half the adults identify as moderates, progressives, and liberals. Claiming that a video of some Antifa clown proves that we're all violent, or that a silly, unrealistic statement from some 19-year-old feminist proves that we're all deluded is stupid and pointless, unless your only goal is to smear the folks from the other tribe. If that's the case then what you're saying is that we - a broad and varied group comprising more than half the country - are the enemy because we don't agree with everything that you believe.

I don't claim to know a whole lot about Christianity, but I'm pretty sure that Jesus wasn't an angry, fearful tribalist who believed that anyone who didn't see things precisely the way he did was an enemy, worthy of nothing but slander, lies, and contempt. Seems like you lost your way. Maybe you ought to pray on it.

Dear Abe,



That above diagram illustrates the Dunning-Kreuger effect. It sums up just about everything that I've heard from you over the last 3 years. I really don't care what you find pathetic, because frankly your understanding of civics, history, politics, economics, and science barely surpasses that of my three-year-old and I doubt you have the capacity for further growth.

Sincerely, Ed




* The swear filter includes the singular word "*******" but not the plural. Just so you know.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:21 pm Dear Stu,

I don't ever recall defending Antifa. Perhaps from your position of extreme tribalism you think that any criticism of Donald Trump, the Alt-right, White nationalists, or whoever includes an implicit endorsement of Antifa, Maxine Waters, and the government of Venezuela. That's not the case. Donald Trump sucks and so does Antifa. Both are doing damage to our democracy, and I wish they'd shut up and go away.

So what do you hope to accomplish by cherry picking examples of people on the left behaving badly while ignoring examples of equally heinous behavior from people on the right? Do you think that that's an honest and sincere approach to debating our political differences?

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:09 pm Abe, you've been right exactly once the entire time I've known you. Or of you. Whatever. A busted clock is right twice a day. But maybe I'm underestimating you. Go ahead and prove me wrong.

Maybe first you could explain exactly what kind of shape we're in and how, specifically, did the liberals got us here. Remember, specific is the opposite of vague. Specific means providing details, statistics, and the like. Maybe even citing your sources. Being specific requires you to put in some effort. You up to the task?

Also, I gotta ask who's getting tried for treason this time. And whatever happened to all of those imminent pedophilia busts? Remember? The Feds were going to swoop in and nail all of Trump's enemies because - AMAZING COINCIDENCE - they were all perverts?




* Yes, I'm aware that it's a real crime. Are you just discovering that?

thatkidakayoungguy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:01 pm Go independent/3rd party, people. We need more of them.
I for one am tired of seeing so much political crap from both big parties, and from both ends of the spectrum. I wish the national news was less on "bad news sells", and while there are programs like segments of the Today show that often focus on good things, this is getting a bit much.

Stu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:28 am

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:21 pm Dear Stu,

I don't ever recall defending Antifa. Perhaps from your position of extreme tribalism you think that any criticism of Donald Trump, the Alt-right, White nationalists, or whoever includes an implicit endorsement of Antifa, Maxine Waters, and the government of Venezuela. That's not the case. Donald Trump sucks and so does Antifa. Both are doing damage to our democracy, and I wish they'd shut up and go away.

So what do you hope to accomplish by cherry picking examples of people on the left behaving badly while ignoring examples of equally heinous behavior from people on the right? Do you think that that's an honest and sincere approach to debating our political differences?

Yeah you do seem to be a more level-headed fella than some of your leftist counterparts, but it seems many are supporting what that bully done to that kid (so calling it cherry picking might be premature) - you know freedom of speech and all that.

LIBERALS RALLY TO DEFEND MAN WHO ASSAULTED MAGA HAT-WEARING TEEN

According to a front page New York Times news (not opinion) article by Adam Liptak “Weaponizing the First Amendment: How Free Speech Became a Conservative Cudgel,” we must adopt a stance of skepticism toward all this talk of free speech: if we wish to be sophisticated and sensitive, as all good Times readers aspire to be. Free speech? So passé. Only conservatives care about free speech anymore.

Quoted from:

https://quillette.com/2018/07/04/the-ne ... ee-speech/

Here is article from the NYT quoted parts of it below

As a result, liberals who once championed expansive First Amendment rights are now uneasy about them.

“The left was once not just on board but leading in supporting the broadest First Amendment protections,” said Floyd Abrams, a prominent First Amendment lawyer and a supporter of broad free-speech rights. “Now the progressive community is at least skeptical and sometimes distraught at the level of First Amendment protection which is being afforded in cases brought by litigants on the right.”

Many on the left have traded an absolutist commitment to free speech for one sensitive to the harms it can inflict.

Take pornography and street protests. Liberals were once largely united in fighting to protect sexually explicit materials from government censorship. Now many on the left see pornography as an assault on women’s rights.

In 1977, many liberals supported the right of the American Nazi Party to march among Holocaust survivors in Skokie, Ill. Far fewer supported the free-speech rights of the white nationalists who marched last year in Charlottesville, Va.

There was a certain naïveté in how liberals used to approach free speech, said Frederick Schauer, a law professor at the University of Virginia.

“Because so many free-speech claims of the 1950s and 1960s involved anti-obscenity claims, or civil rights and anti-Vietnam War protests, it was easy for the left to sympathize with the speakers or believe that speech in general was harmless,” he said. “But the claim that speech was harmless or causally inert was never true, even if it has taken recent events to convince the left of that. The question, then, is why the left ever believed otherwise.”

Some liberals now say that free speech disproportionately protects the powerful and the status quo.

“When I was younger, I had more of the standard liberal view of civil liberties,” said Louis Michael Seidman, a law professor at Georgetown. “And I’ve gradually changed my mind about it. What I have come to see is that it’s a mistake to think of free speech as an effective means to accomplish a more just society.”

To the contrary, free speech reinforces and amplifies injustice, Catharine A. MacKinnon, a law professor at the University of Michigan, wrote in “The Free Speech Century,” a collection of essays to be published this year.

“Once a defense of the powerless, the First Amendment over the last hundred years has mainly become a weapon of the powerful,” she wrote. “Legally, what was, toward the beginning of the 20th century, a shield for radicals, artists and activists, socialists and pacifists, the excluded and the dispossessed, has become a sword for authoritarians, racists and misogynists, Nazis and Klansmen, pornographers and corporations buying elections.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/p ... court.html

B. W. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:00 amHere is the latest... interesting clip and article

When Conservatives exercise free speech - it becomes a crime, how amazing!!!

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:46 pm The only information you've given me to date was some conspiracy theorist's YouTube page. If that's the best you've got then yeah, you might as well not bother.