Re: Key Facts About Salvation many miss or overlook when it comes to Christianity.
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:28 pm
And what is the Gospel?
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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Abel: If a person does not hear the gospel then they cannot be drawn to Christ.
God is constantly drawing ALL men (He stands at the door and knocks!) - but His drawing is only effectively DRAWS those whom begin to have willing hearts which allows them to be drawn. ANYONE with a willing / open heart toward God will be drawn by Him, and anyone without such a willingness will NOT be drawn. Abe, you make it sound like God draws some but doesn't draw others - AS IF He decides some he doesn't want to draw or save. Again, it's not that He doesn't attempt to draw ALL, but more a matter that many are resistant and rebellious in heart and mind, and want nothing to do with God's wooing / drawing.Abel: And this gets back to the fact that man must be drawn in order to be saved and so if you have not been drawn you cannot be saved.
Ok you are not born again unless you actually start making the changes in your life... if you get down on your knees and ask God to come into your life and remain the exact same then you have not been born again the Holy Ghost is not going to make the changes for your...DBowling wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:29 amSince my post was basically quoting Scripture, I would expect to be 'on the right track'LonnieOwesn1973 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:28 amalmost there but on the right track...DBowling wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:43 amCorrect...
But...
Scripture tells us that when we are saved...
we are born again (John 3:3)
we become a new creation (2 Cor 5:17)
we receive the indwelling Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9)
we are no longer slaves to sin (Romans 6:6-7)
we are being transformed into the likeness of Jesus (2 Cor 3:17-18)I think a more accurate statement would be...Can't be transformed into the Likeness of Jesus until you are walking in the spirit.
We can't be transformed into the likeness of Jesus until we have the indwelling Holy Spirit.
It is the Holy Spirit who does the transforming, It is not anything that we do or can do.
When we submit to the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives then we are able to 'walk in the Spirit' and display the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-25).You have the sequence of events backwards.you are not born again unless you actually start making the changes in your life to reflect the doctrine of Jesus.
We are not even capable of making changes in our life to reflect the doctrine of Jesus until AFTER we are born again and have received the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 2:8-9 is clear and unambiguous.
We are saved by grace through faith, not by works.
Without the presence of the Holy Spirit, we are incapable in our own power of 'walking in the Spirit' or producing the fruit of the Spirit.
And Scripture tells us that we don't receive the indwelling Holy Spirit until after we have put our faith and trust in Jesus and become 'born again'.
So in other words, you're saying that someone isn't born again, unless he performs in a certain way?LonnieOwesn1973 wrote:
Ok you are not born again unless you actually start making the changes in your life... if you get down on your knees and ask God to come into your life and remain the exact same then you have not been born again the Holy Ghost is not going to make the changes for your...
Very Good explanation and I would agree on the Majority but I do have a small problem with number 2.abelcainsbrother wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:32 pm 1.You must be born again to become a Christian.You cannot save yourself nor act like a Christian and truly be one.
John 3:3
Many think that Christianity is just another religion,amongst a long list of other religions and they are all kinda the same they just believe in different gods and Jesus is just another kind of god people believe in.This is not true though as you can simply join a church of any other religion I'm aware of,learn the laws and rules you must live by the rest of your life,learn the religious rituals you must perform,etc and change yourself to become one. You cannot do this in Chistianity.Why would you choose some other god over Jesus? The choice is obvious from a religion view point.
2.Jesus paid for your salvation in full.
God has already did everything for you in his salvation plan for you to be saved.There is nothing you can do to add to it.All you have to do is have faith and believe in Jesus for your salvation and be saved.This is how you recieve the gift of salvation and it is not much effort on your part at all because Jesus really already did everything for you.It is really too easy for people to accept,but it is true nonetheless.
Romans 5:16-21
3.You don't really decide when it is time to be saved,God decides,when it is time.Unless the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Christ you cannot be saved.If you have not ever experienced this then I suggest you try churches,etc until it happens,because until it does,you cannot be saved,no matter how hard you pray.
It is not about you,but about God's plan for your salvation and how everything has already been done for you to be saved.You cannot necessarily wait until you're on your death bed to be saved,because the Holy Spirit may not draw you then,which means you cannot be saved.I mean it is not impossible that a peron could be saved whe they are on their death bed,but the Holy Sprit must draw you,another way of saying this is the Holy Spirit must convict you and draw you to Christ to be saved.
John 6:44
4. It is when you have been born again that you are changed into a Christian,and not until then,no matter how you might act like a Christian,etc or what you might do.
A person can put on an act like they are a Christian and not really be one.Only God truly knows who has been saved or not,which is why he is the judge and not us.The closest we can tell is by their fruit,but even then it is not a sure thing.It is important for you to know for yourself and not be putting on an act which is what being a hypocrite is really all about.A hypocrite is somebody putting on an act like they are a Christian when they really are not.It is not somebody who says one thing and does another,otherwise we'd all be hypocrites.
2nd Corinthians 5:17. Galatians 6:15
5.Out of all other gods out there only Jesus truly showed you love like no other god out there by actually fulfilling everything for you so that you could be saved.None of them did.From a religious point of view Jesus is the easy choice even if you don't know much about religion.If we just take each religion on face value,and honestly without any strawmen,there should be no reason why you would choose some other god over Jesus based on the love and sacrifice he showed you.
The other gods may talk a good game about love but when the rubber hits the road they never put it all on the line for you like Jesus did with his actions and not just words.
John 3:16 John 3:19 Hebrews 12:1-4
Salvation is a gift by God's grace. A gift, by definition, cannot be earned.Lonnie wrote:
salvation is earned by the life we lead not Give by the words that come out of our mouths