Evidence for God from Science

Philip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:33 am Record deaths and new cases surging - hey, here's an executive decision from Disney in Florida:

https://www.wistv.com/2020/07/11/disney ... e-florida/

To be clear - I have no problem with re-opening. But the stupid just don't seem to get it - and many of them WILL! The problem is that so many people don't think it's a thing to even be concerned about.

Philip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:30 am It would be interesting to know, of those that have died that were young, healthy, and without any significant immune issues - how cavalier and careless were they about social distance and using masks in close public situations. Cause those people - now dead and gone, sure aren't a figment of our imaginations or mere paranoia! I have auto-immune issues, so I lean toward reasonable cautions. Yes, they're a bit inconvenient - so what.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:25 am

RickD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:37 pmBut, if herd immunity turns out to be unattainable, then the future vaccine they’re going to push on us, will be useless.

Or the vaccine would either require a booster or two to be fully effective, or be an annual shot like we have now for the flu. In that instance we'd have good years, where the vaccine lined up well with the most prevalent strains of the virus, and bad years where it missed and lots of people got sick. That would be very bad, because Covid-19 is much more dangerous than the flu.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:31 am Infection rates are exploding, and it's not just because we're testing more. In Dade County Florida they're seeing 30%+ of their tests come back positive. Numbers are going up because in some places people stopped trying to contain the virus, and now more people are getting sick. Death rates aren't as high as they were in April and May, but they're trending up. It could wind up being that the rates stay relatively low, perhaps because younger people are getting sick and surviving and because doctors have learned how to treat the disease better, but it's also entirely possible that we're still in the 2-3 week lag and things are about to go completely to hell.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:16 am
So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:31 am Infection rates are exploding, and it's not just because we're testing more. In Dade County Florida they're seeing 30%+ of their tests come back positive. Numbers are going up because in some places people stopped trying to contain the virus, and now more people are getting sick. Death rates aren't as high as they were in April and May, but they're trending up. It could wind up being that the rates stay relatively low, perhaps because younger people are getting sick and surviving and because doctors have learned how to treat the disease better, but it's also entirely possible that we're still in the 2-3 week lag and things are about to go completely to hell.

Fliegender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:26 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:16 am
So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

I’m certainly not paranoid about this virus. I really don’t care one way or another but I do recognize that there’s a risk to public health. And I’m not claiming anything. I’m just passing on the latest thinking on COVID-19 by virologists and public health officials. You may choose to consider their informed opinion or...you may decide to agree with that Einstein in high office, Mr Everything’s-Just-Fantastic-Trump

Keep towing the Party line...

Fliegender wrote:
Click on the link and you’ll see that the USA is in first place for infections and deaths related to COVID-19.

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:18 pm

Fliegender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:26 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:16 am
So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

I’m certainly not paranoid about this virus. I really don’t care one way or another but I do recognize that there’s a risk to public health. And I’m not claiming anything. I’m just passing on the latest thinking on COVID-19 by virologists and public health officials. You may choose to consider their informed opinion or...you may decide to agree with that Einstein in high office, Mr Everything’s-Just-Fantastic-Trump

Keep towing the Party line...

I try to consider all informed opinions. That’s how I learn. And it’s really quite odd that we can’t disagree on this without you claiming I’m following what Trump says.

Honestly, I don’t even listen to him. I can’t listen to more than about 5 seconds before I get frustrated with the way he speaks. He’s the only president that I can remember, who twists things to make them about himself.

Why make claims, tell me I’m wrong, then backtrack and claim that you’re passing along what public health official and virologists are saying? You do realize that there’s no consensus among doctors, don’t you?

Fliegender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:32 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:18 pm

Fliegender wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:26 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:16 am
So I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence of what I just claimed.”

Thanks for clearing it up.

Paranoia is running amok with this virus. It’s bordering on insanity.

I’m certainly not paranoid about this virus. I really don’t care one way or another but I do recognize that there’s a risk to public health. And I’m not claiming anything. I’m just passing on the latest thinking on COVID-19 by virologists and public health officials. You may choose to consider their informed opinion or...you may decide to agree with that Einstein in high office, Mr Everything’s-Just-Fantastic-Trump

Keep towing the Party line...

I try to consider all informed opinions. That’s how I learn. And it’s really quite odd that we can’t disagree on this without you claiming I’m following what Trump says.

Honestly, I don’t even listen to him. I can’t listen to more than about 5 seconds before I get frustrated with the way he speaks. He’s the only president that I can remember, who twists things to make them about himself.

Why make claims, tell me I’m wrong, then backtrack and claim that you’re passing along what public health official and virologists are saying? You do realize that there’s no consensus among doctors, don’t you?

Well, sorry. I thought you were a Trumpophile. My sincerest apologies. Dr Mary Trump just wrote a book about her uncle. It ain’t flattering... Trumpophiles will dismiss the author.

I didn’t make a claim. I said “current thinking”. Scroll up and read it again. It used to be “current thinking” that masks were ineffective in the fight against COVID-19. Now, even Trump and Bolsonaro (the Brazilian Trump) say masks are good to wear. These two eminent know-it-alls have changed their tune, and so have people with real knowledge and real training come to the opinion that this corona virus may not produce lasting immunity in infected people. They didn’t come to this opinion out of thin air but through observation of patients who appeared to fall ill a second time. No study has yet been conducted because the world is in the middle of the problem, so asking for “evidence” is just ...grandstanding.

As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:49 pm ...

Of course you made a claim! I said:

As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

And you said I was wrong. I’ve yet to see any evidence that people can get the same strain of a virus once they’ve built an immunity to it.

Fliegender wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:48 pm

RickD wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:49 pm ...

Of course you made a claim! I said:

As I understand it, once one builds an immunity to a particular strain, one cannot get that same strain again. So, does your wife normally wear masks during flu season?

And you said I was wrong. I’ve yet to see any evidence that people can get the same strain of a virus once they’ve built an immunity to it.

Hahaha...you’re splitting hairs. You may not be a Trumpophile but you seem to be reasoning like that lady dressed in the flag.

Whatever...the current thinking is that immunity to COVID-19 may be temporary. This means that if you got it once, you could get it again at a later date. Period. This virus might - might - be like the chickenpox virus: if you get chickenpox as a child, the virus is always with you and may - may - reactivate in your fifties as shingles. COVID-19 could be like the chickenpox/shingles virus, or it could be like the cold viruses. The point is if you think you’re immune because you got it, you’re likely wrong.

So wearing a mask and social distancing are effective preventative measures. And just to allay your fears, there’s no danger of being infected by socialism either when protecting yourself against COVID-19.

Philip wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:11 am A rather dumb argument, IMHO.