Evidence for God from Science

I still don't see your point... Where did I undermine the authority of the Bible?

I'm curious, how did this come to be about you? Is this the Mastermind discussion group or is it about religion? I'm done with this thread, let's move on to something else

Jesus came to provide the opportunity to save all mankind. But as stubborn as mankind is they think they know better than their creator.
IF aliens exist, then like us they would have been created by god in his image. And if that is so that would make them children of god just like us and they would worship and honour the same god that we do.

I disagree. You are presupposing your own intellect as god's will. You have no idea what his image is. We know that he made man in his image, but that doesn't mean it's the only image. He could have several images that are vastly different yet entirely the same. It's percisely because we lack the capacity to understand how they could be the same yet different that makes us fallible beings and god divine.

May I ask where these Aliens live? With the Scientific Data we have today Extra Terrestial Beings out there in space is becoming impossible. They have noticed that Earth is actually a Special Place and given a great Advantage of being able to see many Galaxies etc. The Earth was made to see the Glory of the Created Heavens!!!

I disagree. You are presupposing your own intellect as god's will. You have no idea what his image is. We know that he made man in his image, but that doesn't mean it's the only image. He could have several images that are vastly different yet entirely the same. It's percisely because we lack the capacity to understand how they could be the same yet different that makes us fallible beings and god divine.

He said in the beginning, "let us make man in our image" not in "one of our billions of images."

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:

I disagree. You are presupposing your own intellect as god's will. You have no idea what his image is. We know that he made man in his image, but that doesn't mean it's the only image. He could have several images that are vastly different yet entirely the same. It's percisely because we lack the capacity to understand how they could be the same yet different that makes us fallible beings and god divine.

He said in the beginning, "let us make man in our image" not in "one of our billions of images."

That's exactly my point. The same passage doesn't say that it wasn't one of a thousand or a billion or that there is one image. My point is the ambiguity. You are adding your own definitions and drawing your own conclusions based on the passage. You are defining "image" and adding to your definition that it is the only a "man" based image.

arretium wrote:

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:

I disagree. You are presupposing your own intellect as god's will. You have no idea what his image is. We know that he made man in his image, but that doesn't mean it's the only image. He could have several images that are vastly different yet entirely the same. It's percisely because we lack the capacity to understand how they could be the same yet different that makes us fallible beings and god divine.

He said in the beginning, "let us make man in our image" not in "one of our billions of images."

That's exactly my point. The same passage doesn't say that it wasn't one of a thousand or a billion or that there is one image. My point is the ambiguity. You are adding your own definitions and drawing your own conclusions based on the passage. You are defining "image" and adding to your definition that it is the only a "man" based image.

Image is singular, indicates one, a unit, how much simpler is that.

bizzt wrote:May I ask where these Aliens live? With the Scientific Data we have today Extra Terrestial Beings out there in space is becoming impossible. They have noticed that Earth is actually a Special Place and given a great Advantage of being able to see many Galaxies etc. The Earth was made to see the Glory of the Created Heavens!!!

It's funny you should ask this question because I thinking about it on the way home today. I was wondering how on earth do we know that there are other alien species out in the Universe? We don't. We extrapolate (take a faith based position?) based on past discoveries of other stars, galaxies, and even postulated universes. Basically it's inductive logic in action. Given the magnitude of the number of planets out there based on what we've found, it seems extremely unlikely that there isn't at least another intelligent species out there. Personally, I think it's a good bet.

In the same vain, I was considering the vastness of the Universe and wondering whether or not there is a God. When I considered the infinite nature of Time my mind ran into conceptual problems. As I tried to grasp the enormity of the known Universe, I draw the inductive conclusion since there is such diversification, so much stuff out there, I find it highly unlikely that it just poofed "out of thin air" based on some work of pure science. In other words, I believe God was behind it.

Likewise, when you asked your question about aliens, my immediate rhetorical response was, How do you know there is a God? You don't. You accept it on Faith. We all do.

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:Image is singular, indicates one, a unit, how much simpler is that.

Although the usage itself is singular, I disagree that the meaning is purely exclusive. In order for the meaning to be entirely exclusive the words "only" or some other word indicating a limited image would be necessary. I disagree that you can only draw the conclusion that the we were created in God's only image available. Those words you cite do not have such a meaning.

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote: And for me, I don't see why God'd create other creatures and hide it from us...

Perhaps we've been approaching this Alien issue in a human centric angle.
If God chose to create Alien, He has his reason for it. If there's no business between Alien & human, there's no neccessity of mentioning in the Bible or to inform man about it.

As far as image is concern, I can create a piece of furniture in the image of a chair. Its function remain the same but it may appear quite differently from what our perception of a chair is.

But honestly, I dun know if Alien exist, but for all my SciFi interest, I wish they do.

arretium wrote:Likewise, when you asked your question about aliens, my immediate rhetorical response was, How do you know there is a God? You don't. You accept it on Faith. We all do.

Yet, there is faith to every belief we have. We can only judge what is probable, improbable, or smacks of absurdity.

Kurieuo.