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Awww.kateliz wrote:Ouch! That was just mean!
Nobody understands me! Boo hoo, hoo!
I don't feel like writing anything so just imagine that the Sith is my sharp wit and the Jedi is your ego.Passion's better in your heart than your foot, MM! Or your head for that matter, if you actually have one and aren't a mindless beast prowling around "hunting" for sarcasm victims!
Got 'cha there!
But take your time to do it as well as you can. Dogma sucked, blasphemy or not.kateliz wrote:Not to be off-topic, but after seeing "Dogma" I cried because of how offensive and sinful it was. And I'm not a cry-baby! I shiver whenever it gets mentioned!
I agree with you though.
The Virgin Mary was already married when she gave birth to Christ. Most Christians believe she was a virgin until her death. If your wife gave birth to God, would you dare touch her? Maybe in your case, according to your post, you would.voicingmaster wrote:Mary, after having Jesus, had absolutely no reason at all to remain a virgin. When she got impregnated with Jesus, she married Joseph and ran off to Bethlehem. After having Jesus, she had the Holy Son, and a husband. Why should a wife and husband remain virgins after being married?
Like on the movie Dogma "Jesus was conceived a virgin, but thinking a married couple is going to stay virgins forever is just gullible." Paraphrased quote.
If this was so, Mary would of not married Joseph due to the fact that he was poor himself. In those days, in order to profit from your occupation was to have many children. God would not ordain a marriage without sex. Joseph is just a man with the same needs as you and I. Let's see you get married and lay next to your wife and feel content without touching her........Mastermind wrote:And how does your quote prove she didn't? Jesus also said it's better to remain celibate but if one's will isn't strong enough, marry. In ancient times people didn't necessarily mary out of love, they also married out of need. Mary could have easily married because she needed a husband to take care of her (and this way neither of them would be looked down upon by a society that expected its memebers to marry) while both of them agreeing to remain chaste. Or her agreeing to remain chaste.Poetic_Soul wrote:Becauase some people claim that she DIED A VIRGIN.Mastermind wrote:I fail to see what this has to do with whether Mary had children or not.Poetic_Soul wrote:You can also use scripture from the old testament. "Be fruitful and multiply." Why would God ordain marriage without sex? Wouldn't they need children to tend the household?
Some clain that Mary died a virgin.
[/b]I can touch her without having any actual sex but I won't get into that. Back on topic, what would have happened to Mary if she would've given birth to Jesus without a husband? Can you say stoned?If this was so, Mary would of not married Joseph due to the fact that he was poor himself. In those days, in order to profit from your occupation was to have many children. God would not ordain a marriage without sex. Joseph is just a man with the same needs as you and I. Let's see you get married and lay next to your wife and feel content without touching her........
Unless it says so in the Bible that she stayed a virgin until death, I see no reason to believe so. I mean, after getting married why would anybody want to be a virgin until they die? Sex, in marriage, is a good thing, nothing sinful about it. Remaining a virgin until death doesn't do you a lick of good, you're just hurting yourself by missing out on such a thing, unless of course you stay single until you die(which Mary didn't). I mean, Mary and Joseph probably would have the same desires as you and I, and God gave no instruction that I can find in the Bible, for her to stay a virgin.ochotseat wrote:The Virgin Mary was already married when she gave birth to Christ. Most Christians believe she was a virgin until her death. If your wife gave birth to God, would you dare touch her? Maybe in your case, according to your post, you would.voicingmaster wrote:Mary, after having Jesus, had absolutely no reason at all to remain a virgin. When she got impregnated with Jesus, she married Joseph and ran off to Bethlehem. After having Jesus, she had the Holy Son, and a husband. Why should a wife and husband remain virgins after being married?
Like on the movie Dogma "Jesus was conceived a virgin, but thinking a married couple is going to stay virgins forever is just gullible." Paraphrased quote.
Yeah, it's just a movie and shouldn't be accepted as fact. But that one particular quote was relevant, so I figured why not.kateliz wrote:Not to be off-topic, but after seeing "Dogma" I cried because of how offensive and sinful it was. And I'm not a cry-baby! I shiver whenever it gets mentioned!
I agree with you though.
i co-signvoicingmaster wrote:Unless it says so in the Bible that she stayed a virgin until death, I see no reason to believe so. I mean, after getting married why would anybody want to be a virgin until they die? Sex, in marriage, is a good thing, nothing sinful about it. Remaining a virgin until death doesn't do you a lick of good, you're just hurting yourself by missing out on such a thing, unless of course you stay single until you die(which Mary didn't). I mean, Mary and Joseph probably would have the same desires as you and I, and God gave no instruction that I can find in the Bible, for her to stay a virgin.ochotseat wrote:The Virgin Mary was already married when she gave birth to Christ. Most Christians believe she was a virgin until her death. If your wife gave birth to God, would you dare touch her? Maybe in your case, according to your post, you would.voicingmaster wrote:Mary, after having Jesus, had absolutely no reason at all to remain a virgin. When she got impregnated with Jesus, she married Joseph and ran off to Bethlehem. After having Jesus, she had the Holy Son, and a husband. Why should a wife and husband remain virgins after being married?
Like on the movie Dogma "Jesus was conceived a virgin, but thinking a married couple is going to stay virgins forever is just gullible." Paraphrased quote.
And if Veronica is right about Jesus's brothers and sisters, there really is no proof either way.kateliz wrote:Me three.
Believing she remained a virgin has it's basis in ignorance. Do you not know that God gave sex as a holy gift to married couples? Do you not know that even after Mary gave birth to Jesus it would not be sinful but instead a holy thing for Mary and Joseph to accept this gift? Do you not recognize that there's no historical but only speculatory proof for such a thought? Do not call man's speculations or assumptions history, lest you be found a liar because of their mistakes. Trust your Bible, God wrote it and He does not make mistakes!