Evidence for God from Science

LittleShepherd wrote:

ouafsa wrote:Homosexuals can seek treatment to come to terms with their sexuality but they cant seek treatment to change something that was unchosen and unchangeable. That is the current position of MAINSTREAM medical associations (as opposed to homophobic little "Christian" hate groups such as the nonsense that is NARTH a junk science organisation of misfits and extremists). Homophobes can seak treatment though just like anyone else with a phobia so why don't you.

The thing is that there is no medical evidence to support that position. The APA only changed its stance on homosexuality being a mental disorder at the insistence of lobby groups such as the ACLU. It was irresponsible of them, it was wrong, and it sounded the death knell for many a homosexual who could have found treatment.

There is, however, evidence that homosexuals can change. True, there are many who do not, but most of them do not want to change, and many of those who do don't have the backing of Jesus Christ Himself to help them along. Very big difference. When you try to change something so big in your life, it's almost impossible to make any meaningful progress on your own.

Also, look at the groups studying homosexuality. You mentioned NARTH, a secular organization dedicated to the study of homosexuality and its causes. They're current position is that homosexuals can change with treatment, and like any other organization, they have both failures and successes to their credit.

Another good organization is Exodus. Like other organizations, Exodus is 100% voluntary. They won't try to help you change unless you request the help yourself. Reading their testomonials is amazing. They're a great example of how one can love, nurture, and accept a person without affirming harmful behaviors in that person's life.

You seem to have a knee-jerk reaction that such organizations(and the people who support them) are hateful and/or homophobic. If you were to ever correspond with the people you insist on slandering, you'd find many people with nothing close to hatred in their hearts. Rather, you'd find love, acceptance, and concern for your well-being. Especially from Exodus.

And everyone knows that homophobia is a misnomer. I have no fear concerning homosexuals, and many people opposed to homosexuality feel likewise. It's not a fear of homosexuals, but rather concern for homosexuals and society at large that motivates us to stand firm against homosexuality.

I'd hate to think where I'd be if I had remained a homosexual. Yeah, you probably weren't expecting that. From age 6, my first "squishy feelings" were for other boys, and it only intensified once I hit puberty around age 11. Finally, when I was 23 something happened that threw me at the foot of the cross, and my homosexuality was one of many things that I was convicted of. One of many things that changed during the following year.

If I can change, anybody can.

ochotseat wrote:It's probably not genetic, because their parents were heterosexuals.

AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:So, we have the straight gene, and the gay gene...and when you get one of each, you're just metrosexual.

It's really pathetic to claim "don't blame me, it's my genetics" when anyone with a brain cells can tell you that it's nature as well as nurture that makes you what you are...and add in the choices you decide to make...

LittleShepherd wrote:

ouafsa wrote:Homosexuals can seek treatment to come to terms with their sexuality but they cant seek treatment to change something that was unchosen and unchangeable. That is the current position of MAINSTREAM medical associations (as opposed to homophobic little "Christian" hate groups such as the nonsense that is NARTH a junk science organisation of misfits and extremists). Homophobes can seak treatment though just like anyone else with a phobia so why don't you.

The thing is that there is no medical evidence to support that position. The APA only changed its stance on homosexuality being a mental disorder at the insistence of lobby groups such as the ACLU. It was irresponsible of them, it was wrong, and it sounded the death knell for many a homosexual who could have found treatment.

There is, however, evidence that homosexuals can change. True, there are many who do not, but most of them do not want to change, and many of those who do don't have the backing of Jesus Christ Himself to help them along. Very big difference. When you try to change something so big in your life, it's almost impossible to make any meaningful progress on your own.

Also, look at the groups studying homosexuality. You mentioned NARTH, a secular organization dedicated to the study of homosexuality and its causes. They're current position is that homosexuals can change with treatment, and like any other organization, they have both failures and successes to their credit.

Another good organization is Exodus. Like other organizations, Exodus is 100% voluntary. They won't try to help you change unless you request the help yourself. Reading their testomonials is amazing. They're a great example of how one can love, nurture, and accept a person without affirming harmful behaviors in that person's life.

You seem to have a knee-jerk reaction that such organizations(and the people who support them) are hateful and/or homophobic. If you were to ever correspond with the people you insist on slandering, you'd find many people with nothing close to hatred in their hearts. Rather, you'd find love, acceptance, and concern for your well-being. Especially from Exodus.

And everyone knows that homophobia is a misnomer. I have no fear concerning homosexuals, and many people opposed to homosexuality feel likewise. It's not a fear of homosexuals, but rather concern for homosexuals and society at large that motivates us to stand firm against homosexuality.

I'd hate to think where I'd be if I had remained a homosexual. Yeah, you probably weren't expecting that. From age 6, my first "squishy feelings" were for other boys, and it only intensified once I hit puberty around age 11. Finally, when I was 23 something happened that threw me at the foot of the cross, and my homosexuality was one of many things that I was convicted of. One of many things that changed during the following year.

If I can change, anybody can.

ouafsa wrote:There is no reputable evidence whatsoever that anyone can or ever has changed and I don't accept your testiomonial for what it is worth for a second. Has it been scientifically validated?

No and none have them have. You clearly were not really homosexual to begin with, oh you might have thought you were but clearly you werent. REAL homosexuality is not something you can just come out of in an instant, it is very deep seated and impossible or virtually impossible to change. And even if you had changed that does not mean anyone can, more like you were the exception to the rule! A lot of these so called conversions are just people suppressing their feelings going from active to celibate and a lot have reverted back to being homosexuals including those that founded that ridiculoud Exodus organisation.

And you might want to find out what the word homophobia really means, its homophobia after all that causes most of the problems with homosexuality. Homophobes make homosexuals feel worthless and then have the cheak to blame their sexuality for the problems this causes. Im sure its convienient for homophobes and profitable to try and wipe homosexuality out through junk science seeing as they cant very well put them to death like they would prefere but this has all be attempted by the mainstream psycologists decades ago and given up on coz it just doesnt work trying to treat something that isnt a illness to begin with and doesnt need fixing.

Fear of homosexuals is rarely involved in homophobia, usually its just hatred and/or contempt for the individual and group and misplaced and irritational fear on alleged negative effects they have or will cause to society.

No one choose what they find attractive and seeing as theres no harm in a same sex attraction in itself, there's no blame involved in acting on it, or at least there shouldn't be.

And that's right its nature and if straights can act on theirs why can't gays?

(And dont give me that religious BS that is just your opinion nothing more and in a secular society that has a seperartion between church and state you cant use religious interpretations to base law on). Its a parallel thing after all attraction for a gender and not comparable to illegal and immoral behaviour such as incest or bestiality.

Metrosexual is a pathetic term invented by the insecure that wanted to adopt something they traditionally asociated with gays but wanted a different name for it coz they didnt want to be associated with or thought of as gay (as if there was anything wrong with that).