Evidence for God from Science

zacchaeus wrote:Of course it's no science book... Yet science confirms Scripture!!!

PaulSacramento wrote:

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:
Any evidence of that?
No one takes the whole "multiverse" thing seriously, since there is ZERO evidence for it.

Maybe you should reconsider that.

As you can tell by my posts, there is no evidence for the multiple universes.
There is evidence that MAY lead to that view, IF the evidence is NOT explained by other means and IF that evidence is what they think it MAYbe.
In short, there is no evidence for multiple universes.
BUT IF the one pieces of evidence we have that MAY be "associated" with what we THINK might be evidence for another universe that MAY have been created by the SAME Big Bang event, it still means that the event itself, the Big Bang, is NOT explained and it still does NOT tell us if the natural laws of THIS universe do NOT apply to any other.

It also would mean that the bible, once again, got there before science.

I can tell from your posts that you are dead set against multiverse, and for the bible.

Geology and biology finally freed themselves from interference from the church, as has astronomy. There is always rearguard action but its not taken seriously outside of those parts of the church.

There is evidence for god but not multiverse? Multiple yardsticks for different applications?

Every religion "got there first". Exp when the vague generalities can be fluffed up with hindisight.

No, you can't tell that from my posts because I said I was totally OK with a multiple universe since it would NOT contradict the bible BUT would actually give validity to what the bible clearly states is a different reality from ours.
As someone that loves science and supports it, I simply do not like science made to say what it simply does NOT say.
And as of right now, there is no evidence for a multiple universe.
Again, IF there was and if we find proof that one exists, all that would do ( biblically speaking) is show that the writers of the bible believed there was another "universe" besides this one MILLENNIUMS before modern science did.

By the way, I am not "for the bible" when it comes to science at all, far from it.
The Bible is not a science book or makes scientific statements as we know them.
I am for science, having a degree in Mechanical Engineering, science is part of my every day life.
I support it 100%.
I just don't happen to support all scientists that make claims without evidence.

PaulSacramento wrote:

zacchaeus wrote:Of course it's no science book... Yet science confirms Scripture!!!

As long as we do NOT read science BACK into scripture.

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

zacchaeus wrote:Of course it's no science book... Yet science confirms Scripture!!!

As long as we do NOT read science BACK into scripture.

Is there some other way to do it?

Storyteller wrote:Kind of. I think.

If you heard God, let`s say just for a moment, you actually hear the voice of God. He tells you it is God. Would you then think, okay God is real, He is there. Or, would you think you were going mad, hearing voices?

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Kind of. I think.

If you heard God, let`s say just for a moment, you actually hear the voice of God. He tells you it is God. Would you then think, okay God is real, He is there. Or, would you think you were going mad, hearing voices?

Truth be told, I don't know exactly how I would react. I can tell you how I may hope I'd react, but I've never experienced something like that; the only thing I've experienced were a bunch of men as flawed and imperfect as I am, claiming to speak for God telling me God says this and God says that, and to them I react with skeptcism because the way I see it, if God can talk to them he could talk to me.

Ken

PaulSacramento wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Ken...

do you actually want to believe in God?

My view is a bit closer to Audie's view on the issue where as I don't believe I choose what I believe. For me belief happens after reason and logic demands it; not before. While true; a person can choose to listen evidence that supports his agenda and he can choose to ignore evidence that may refute it, but he is still going with the evidence he receives even though he has control over what he receives. Hope that makes sense.

Ken

No Ken, you are misunderstanding what choosing to believe means.
Either you choose what to believe or don't believe in ( based on evidence, reasoning, personal experience, etc) or you are saying that you have NO CHOICE in what to believe or don't.
So which is it?

Storyteller wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Kind of. I think.

If you heard God, let`s say just for a moment, you actually hear the voice of God. He tells you it is God. Would you then think, okay God is real, He is there. Or, would you think you were going mad, hearing voices?

Truth be told, I don't know exactly how I would react. I can tell you how I may hope I'd react, but I've never experienced something like that; the only thing I've experienced were a bunch of men as flawed and imperfect as I am, claiming to speak for God telling me God says this and God says that, and to them I react with skeptcism because the way I see it, if God can talk to them he could talk to me.

Ken

I get that

So tell me how you hope you would react.

Kenny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Ken...

do you actually want to believe in God?

My view is a bit closer to Audie's view on the issue where as I don't believe I choose what I believe. For me belief happens after reason and logic demands it; not before. While true; a person can choose to listen evidence that supports his agenda and he can choose to ignore evidence that may refute it, but he is still going with the evidence he receives even though he has control over what he receives. Hope that makes sense.

Ken

No Ken, you are misunderstanding what choosing to believe means.
Either you choose what to believe or don't believe in ( based on evidence, reasoning, personal experience, etc) or you are saying that you have NO CHOICE in what to believe or don't.
So which is it?

If Bill Gates (the richest man on Earth) offered to give you a billion dollars if you could choose to believe you could fly like a bird, could you convince yourself that you could do it? I can't; I may be able to pretend I have convinced myself in order to get the money, but deep down I would know I was lying. If I were able to choose what I beleive, I would be able to do this

Ken

Kenny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Ken...

do you actually want to believe in God?

My view is a bit closer to Audie's view on the issue where as I don't believe I choose what I believe. For me belief happens after reason and logic demands it; not before. While true; a person can choose to listen evidence that supports his agenda and he can choose to ignore evidence that may refute it, but he is still going with the evidence he receives even though he has control over what he receives. Hope that makes sense.

Ken

No Ken, you are misunderstanding what choosing to believe means.
Either you choose what to believe or don't believe in ( based on evidence, reasoning, personal experience, etc) or you are saying that you have NO CHOICE in what to believe or don't.
So which is it?

If Bill Gates (the richest man on Earth) offered to give you a billion dollars if you could choose to believe you could fly like a bird, could you convince yourself that you could do it? I can't; I may be able to pretend I have convinced myself in order to get the money, but deep down I would know I was lying. If I were able to choose what I beleive, I would be able to do this

Ken

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:

Kenny wrote:

Storyteller wrote:Kind of. I think.

If you heard God, let`s say just for a moment, you actually hear the voice of God. He tells you it is God. Would you then think, okay God is real, He is there. Or, would you think you were going mad, hearing voices?

Truth be told, I don't know exactly how I would react. I can tell you how I may hope I'd react, but I've never experienced something like that; the only thing I've experienced were a bunch of men as flawed and imperfect as I am, claiming to speak for God telling me God says this and God says that, and to them I react with skeptcism because the way I see it, if God can talk to them he could talk to me.

Ken

I get that

So tell me how you hope you would react.

At first I would probably assume I was just hearing things, but eventually after talking back and forth, I would probably be convinced what I was hearing was real

Ken

If Bill Gates (the richest man on Earth) offered to give you a billion dollars if you could choose to believe you could fly like a bird, could you convince yourself that you could do it? I can't; I may be able to pretend I have convinced myself in order to get the money, but deep down I would know I was lying. If I were able to choose what I beleive, I would be able to do this

Dazedandconfused wrote:Ken wrote:

If Bill Gates (the richest man on Earth) offered to give you a billion dollars if you could choose to believe you could fly like a bird, could you convince yourself that you could do it? I can't; I may be able to pretend I have convinced myself in order to get the money, but deep down I would know I was lying. If I were able to choose what I beleive, I would be able to do this

Hi Ken,

They are talking about choosing to believe that God exists, or choosing to believe He doesn't. They are asking if after looking at everything, all that you know exists, if you choose to believe God doesn't exist.

Atheists believe God doesn't exist. Christians believe God exists. Both choose to believe what they believe.

Storyteller wrote:

Dazedandconfused wrote:Ken wrote:

If Bill Gates (the richest man on Earth) offered to give you a billion dollars if you could choose to believe you could fly like a bird, could you convince yourself that you could do it? I can't; I may be able to pretend I have convinced myself in order to get the money, but deep down I would know I was lying. If I were able to choose what I beleive, I would be able to do this

Hi Ken,

They are talking about choosing to believe that God exists, or choosing to believe He doesn't. They are asking if after looking at everything, all that you know exists, if you choose to believe God doesn't exist.

Atheists believe God doesn't exist. Christians believe God exists. Both choose to believe what they believe.

Nu-uh.
I'm talking about belief in anything.

No Ken, you are misunderstanding what choosing to believe means.
Either you choose what to believe or don't believe in ( based on evidence, reasoning, personal experience, etc) or you are saying that you have NO CHOICE in what to believe or don't.
So which is it?