Again.. Having a knowledge or generic faith of the Lord doesn't save you. That is not a saving faith. Faith is also an action that is found in the willingness to be obedient to His word.jlay wrote: A generic faith? What is a 'generic' faith? Biblical references please. This is a common talking point of Lordship salvation. That faith isn't faith, but that faith is some mystical commodity.
Again, proper faith is placing trust in the appropiate object.
Acts 5:32, “And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
Acts 24:14, Paul speaking, “But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.”
Romans 2:13, “for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
Well according to James you are blessed in following the law..jlay wrote:Demons are not offered salvation through faith. I think you are smart enough to know this. There have been plenty of discussions on James. If this is the line of interpreation you decide to take, you are left with no choice but to put Paul and James at odds, and thus pick which one to accept or reject.
James 1:25
But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.
And according to Paul the law is not a sin so they are not contradicting themselves.
Romans 7:7, What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."
Gladly.jlay wrote:Uhh, I think you should already be aware of dispensational views on the millenium.
No you are confusing the two.. Faith is also action but that action doesn't get you saved, its your faith or willingness that get's you saved. Sure we are guilty of judgement when we sin against our neighbor, but we are not under any condemnation..jlay wrote:Have you ever been angry with another? If so, Jesus says you are guilty of the judgment. Again, if you are going to take this line of interpretation, you need to follow it all the way through consistently. If faith is more than believing, then I would hate to preach that Gospel, and bear the burden of living up to it. You've made it clear, a person's efforts and performance (taking a day off) contribute to salvation. That is a false Gospel.
Romans 8:1 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,"
There is always a remnant saved by grace Romans 11:5. Therefore they haven't rejected the Messiah yet. In the end there will be a mass conversion.
And we still have the Jews today so nothing has changed. Where the Jews are there will always be a remnant living among them.jlay wrote:G, just curious, but do you know what "present time' means? That means, at the time of Paul writing his letter to the church in Rome.
No.. Some maybe rejecting now, but later and NOW they are being grafted back in.jlay wrote:The conversion will be from rejecting to accepting. So at this time they are..........rejecting. Is that really that hard to figure out? And therefore are broken off.
Romans 11:11-22
11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
No one is claiming a higher authority here..jlay wrote:And this makes your faith genuine and ours not??? Legalism, false Gospel. Ananthema.
Well welcome to Israel...jlay wrote:Uhhhh, try verse 1. Hear, ISRAEL. Then go through the chapter 6 and read how many times it says, "Hear, O Israel."
Ephesians 2:19
19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household,
Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
And who is part of Israel? That's right.. You are. Anyone who accepts Christ is part of the commonwealth of Israel.
