Evidence for God from Science

Audie wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Always the same 'ol same 'ol.

yup, when its not "amen", its "yes verily yes".

I was talk about the science refrain.

Kurieuo wrote:

Audie wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:Always the same 'ol same 'ol.

yup, when its not "amen", its "yes verily yes".

I was talk about the science refrain.

Ya was talk was ya. See how THAT turned out.

PaulSacramento wrote: Are you suggesting that these scientists are saying that the brain of worms have non-physical properties ?

No. Not sure where that notion comes from. Probably my bad writing skills.

The idea is that no animal brain function shows behavior requiring a non-physical component.

PaulSacramento wrote: The question of non-physical properties of any brain can't be answered by science because science only works the observable and quantifiable.

False. A demonstrated out-of-body experience would be so anomalous as to rule out any chance of an existing scientific explanation. Scientists would be left with only 2 choices:
1. Desperately try to start a completely unknown branch of science of unknown effects and unknown mechanisms.
2. Start going to church.

Carl Sagan's book "Contact" (not the movie) also showcases a discovery so bizarre that only a non-physical explanation (God) suffices.

PaulSacramento wrote: Primates are amazing similar in terms of instinct and instinctive reasoning and even learned reasoning BUT, that I am aware of, they have not shown the capacity or ability to go beyond that.
In short, you don't get primate philosophers or physicists.

Uhm, we're all primates. We also see a historical brain progression in volume, and in sophistication via tools, artifacts, and culture from groups like homo habilis, homo erectus, Neanderthals, French people, etc..

Yes, humans are special, but not as much as our ego might lead us to believe.

Emo Phillips: I used to think that the brain was the greatest organ in the human body, then I realized, "Hey! Look what's telling me that!"

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote: Are you suggesting that these scientists are saying that the brain of worms have non-physical properties ?

No. Not sure where that notion comes from. Probably my bad writing skills.

The idea is that no animal brain function shows behavior requiring a non-physical component.

PaulSacramento wrote: The question of non-physical properties of any brain can't be answered by science because science only works the observable and quantifiable.

False. A demonstrated out-of-body experience would be so anomalous as to rule out any chance of an existing scientific explanation. Scientists would be left with only 2 choices:
1. Desperately try to start a completely unknown branch of science of unknown effects and unknown mechanisms.
2. Start going to church.

Carl Sagan's book "Contact" (not the movie) also showcases a discovery so bizarre that only a non-physical explanation (God) suffices.

PaulSacramento wrote: Primates are amazing similar in terms of instinct and instinctive reasoning and even learned reasoning BUT, that I am aware of, they have not shown the capacity or ability to go beyond that.
In short, you don't get primate philosophers or physicists.

Uhm, we're all primates. We also see a historical brain progression in volume, and in sophistication via tools, artifacts, and culture from groups like homo habilis, homo erectus, Neanderthals, French people, etc..

Yes, humans are special, but not as much as our ego might lead us to believe.

Emo Phillips: I used to think that the brain was the greatest organ in the human body, then I realized, "Hey! Look what's telling me that!"

Did you truly not understand what I wrote or are you just being argumentative?

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).
I mean, you do SEE that right?

PaulSacramento wrote:

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote: Are you suggesting that these scientists are saying that the brain of worms have non-physical properties ?

No. Not sure where that notion comes from. Probably my bad writing skills.

The idea is that no animal brain function shows behavior requiring a non-physical component.

PaulSacramento wrote: The question of non-physical properties of any brain can't be answered by science because science only works the observable and quantifiable.

False. A demonstrated out-of-body experience would be so anomalous as to rule out any chance of an existing scientific explanation. Scientists would be left with only 2 choices:
1. Desperately try to start a completely unknown branch of science of unknown effects and unknown mechanisms.
2. Start going to church.

Carl Sagan's book "Contact" (not the movie) also showcases a discovery so bizarre that only a non-physical explanation (God) suffices.

PaulSacramento wrote: Primates are amazing similar in terms of instinct and instinctive reasoning and even learned reasoning BUT, that I am aware of, they have not shown the capacity or ability to go beyond that.
In short, you don't get primate philosophers or physicists.

Uhm, we're all primates. We also see a historical brain progression in volume, and in sophistication via tools, artifacts, and culture from groups like homo habilis, homo erectus, Neanderthals, French people, etc..

Yes, humans are special, but not as much as our ego might lead us to believe.

Emo Phillips: I used to think that the brain was the greatest organ in the human body, then I realized, "Hey! Look what's telling me that!"

Did you truly not understand what I wrote or are you just being argumentative?

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).
I mean, you do SEE that right?

It isnt clear to me. What do you mean "go beyond physical capacity"? What are "properties"?

Audie wrote:It isnt clear to me. What do you mean "go beyond physical capacity"? What are "properties"?

Information.

Byblos wrote:

Audie wrote:It isnt clear to me. What do you mean "go beyond physical capacity"? What are "properties"?

Information.

Ok... not much info in that.

Audie wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote: Are you suggesting that these scientists are saying that the brain of worms have non-physical properties ?

No. Not sure where that notion comes from. Probably my bad writing skills.

The idea is that no animal brain function shows behavior requiring a non-physical component.

PaulSacramento wrote: The question of non-physical properties of any brain can't be answered by science because science only works the observable and quantifiable.

False. A demonstrated out-of-body experience would be so anomalous as to rule out any chance of an existing scientific explanation. Scientists would be left with only 2 choices:
1. Desperately try to start a completely unknown branch of science of unknown effects and unknown mechanisms.
2. Start going to church.

Carl Sagan's book "Contact" (not the movie) also showcases a discovery so bizarre that only a non-physical explanation (God) suffices.

PaulSacramento wrote: Primates are amazing similar in terms of instinct and instinctive reasoning and even learned reasoning BUT, that I am aware of, they have not shown the capacity or ability to go beyond that.
In short, you don't get primate philosophers or physicists.

Uhm, we're all primates. We also see a historical brain progression in volume, and in sophistication via tools, artifacts, and culture from groups like homo habilis, homo erectus, Neanderthals, French people, etc..

Yes, humans are special, but not as much as our ego might lead us to believe.

Emo Phillips: I used to think that the brain was the greatest organ in the human body, then I realized, "Hey! Look what's telling me that!"

Did you truly not understand what I wrote or are you just being argumentative?

It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).
I mean, you do SEE that right?

It isnt clear to me. What do you mean "go beyond physical capacity"? What are "properties"?

What are you doing RIGHT now Audie?

What am I doing right? Most everything, why do you ask?

PaulSacramento wrote:

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).
I mean, you do SEE that right?

No. If worm brains have the same "properties", what goes beyond "it's physical capacities"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ

Audie wrote:What am I doing right? Most everything, why do you ask?

Audie, you are engaging in an intellectual debate about abstract views that have NOTHING to do with your natural instincts and rational.

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).
I mean, you do SEE that right?

No. If worm brains have the same "properties", what goes beyond "it's physical capacities"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ

When was the last time a worm asked that very question?

PaulSacramento wrote:

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Morny wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:It is clear that the human brain shows properties that go beyond it's physical capacities ( which are basically the same as all other animals).
I mean, you do SEE that right?

No. If worm brains have the same "properties", what goes beyond "it's physical capacities"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tScAyNaRdQ

When was the last time a worm asked that very question?

You seem to say all animal brains show the same properties that go beyond it's physical capacities.

For discussion simplicity, asking what worm brains do to go "beyond it's physical capacities" seems like a reasonable and simple question.

PaulSacramento wrote:

Audie wrote:What am I doing right? Most everything, why do you ask?

Audie, you are engaging in an intellectual debate about abstract views that have NOTHING to do with your natural instincts and rational.

i asked you this..It isnt clear to me. What do you mean "go beyond physical capacity"? What are "properties"?

And that is your answer?

You two are pulling my leg, right?