Evidence for God from Science

jenna wrote:

Ashley wrote:I don't put things into absolute positions.

No, we as humans tend not to. That is one way we are human. Notice God sais that to break one commandment is to be guilty of all. That sounds pretty absolute to me.

the discretion is in God's hand if you break or not.

No, I think the discretion is ours. We know what God commands, and it is at our discretion whether or not we are going to do what He says.

Ashley, I don't think you understood my question.

Let me ask another question.

What is sin?

jenna wrote:No, I think the discretion is ours. We know what God commands, and it is at our discretion whether or not we are going to do what He says.

if so, we can judge others because we have sure-win over the basis how people sin. but Jesus told us not to judge.

zoegirl wrote:Ashley, I don't think you understood my question.

Let me ask another question.

What is sin?

some outcome because of us, and there are two victims - either people or God Himself, or both of them.

Yes, Jesus told us not to judge. Only God has that right, and we don't have "sure-win" on whether or not people sin. God has the right to say whether or not we sin, but be sure He WILL judge.

Ashley wrote:

zoegirl wrote:Ashley, I don't think you understood my question.

Let me ask another question.

What is sin?

some outcome because of us, and there are two victims - either people or God Himself, or both of them.

Sin isn't an "outcome". Sin is the actual breaking of the law of God. The outcome would be punishment from God. Maybe I should have let Zoe answer this?

jenna wrote:Yes, Jesus told us not to judge. Only God has that right, and we don't have "sure-win" on whether or not people sin. God has the right to say whether or not we sin, but be sure He WILL judge.

you said that we have discretion if we break His commandments or not. In most circumstances, we know very little and ask for God's will. King Solomon asked for wisdom to judge cases. If he held wrong decision, he might break commandment and involved party might receive partial judgement.

jenna wrote:

Ashley wrote:

zoegirl wrote:Ashley, I don't think you understood my question.

Let me ask another question.

What is sin?

some outcome because of us, and there are two victims - either people or God Himself, or both of them.

Sin isn't an "outcome". Sin is the actual breaking of the law of God. The outcome would be punishment from God. Maybe I should have let Zoe answer this?

the best answer is in the bible. please ask the pastors.

We know little? Is that not why we have the bible? So we can learn what sin is and how to overcome it?

jenna wrote:We know little? Is that not why we have the bible? So we can learn what sin is and how to overcome it?

then King Solomon was quite naive to pray for wisdom.

AShley,

Sin does have outcomes and sin does bring about consequences. I don't disagree with you here. But what is *sin*. What do we do that defines sin with regards to bringing about an outcome?

In other words.....you stated that lying isn't necessarily bad....but isnt' the fact that we have a deceiful heart the actual root of the problem. For instance, couldn't it be said that we lie *because* we have deceitful hearts.

As for the Bible, there are plenty of verses that address sin and the heart.

I am interested, though, what verses would you find applicable to defining sin and the state of Man's hearts and minds.

Ashley wrote:

jenna wrote:We know little? Is that not why we have the bible? So we can learn what sin is and how to overcome it?

then King Solomon was quite naive to pray for wisdom.

No, king Solomon was correct to ask for knowledge. He understood that to grow in God that knowledge is what he needed. I can understand your point, but Solomon asked for wisdom so he could rule fairly.

jenna wrote:

Ashley wrote:

jenna wrote:We know little? Is that not why we have the bible? So we can learn what sin is and how to overcome it?

then King Solomon was quite naive to pray for wisdom.

No, king Solomon was correct to ask for knowledge. He understood that to grow in God that knowledge is what he needed. I can understand your point, but Solomon asked for wisdom so he could rule fairly.

God was quite pleased with Solomon asking for wisdom. May God grant wisdom to us all, a discerning heart and mind! And the truly Wise man seeks God, reveres God (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom) and HIs word, immersing himself or herself in scripture.