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Did you even stop to read what that user wrote? Perhaps think about it critically?DannyM wrote:Oh dear, we have another one ...Facundo wrote:Yeah, christians tend to do that, and it's only natural you think that way. The concept's also called witch hunt, scientific prosecution, holocaust, etc.
No, I'm saying 1) we haven't proven *anything* yet but 2) even if we did all we would be showing if there were very strict requirements for it to happen...ie a design.Facundo wrote:1. So we've succesfully formed aminoacides and phospholypids, the basic structures of cells. Self-replicating RNA's not too far away and membranes spontanteously assemble. And we did all that in a 4 months experiment. Is it a leap to say, that even if the event itself is improbable it could potentially happen lots of times, given a million years?zoegirl wrote:Facundo,
You might want to read over our Discussion Board guidelines before you go any further.
1. Right now, they have not been able to show that any sort of basic cell forms under conditions such as those proposed for early earth. At most, they have shown that some very basic organic molecules can form from some very strict conditions (and basic is an understatement), RNA can self-assemble and act as enzymes, and membranes can self-assemble (although this is hardly a surprise since their very chemistry would cause them to do so). No self-replicating membrane bound organism as yet has been made. (And for the record, why would this disprove the existence of God were they to do so??? All they would successfully show is that life requires some very strict conditions to be designed....a recipe, if you will, a...oh my goodness....a design!!
2. You have some awfully bizarre ideas of creationism if you suppose that it is simply the same as "pulling it out of a hat" and it reveal ignorance on your part. You want to come here and blast everyone for being ignorant and yet you reveal your very own ignorance in some very typical atheist rants about what they think Christianity and creationism is about.
3. And for the record, Christian values does not exclude pointing out fallacies in a person's thinking. Do you suppose we would simply roll over and wag our tails and lick your hands for your ignorant ideas about Christians?!?!??!
Aminoacides were even found on comets, so an aminoacid supply could have fallen from the sky at one point in the history of earth meteor rain. And you're basically arguing that unsupervised abiogenesis doesn't prove god exists, while saying it's specific nature of formation implies god exists. Quite a contradiction there :/
would it do any good? It doesn't seem like you are here for any reason other than to argue. again, please read our discussion guideline and board purpose.2. Explain to me, then, the rational creation process of man according to creationism. Last time I checked, god wished for it. Awesome, all-explaining theory that is.
Again, would it do any good? You have obviously made up your mind. all Christians are idiots, all Christians are ignorant, and all Christians are hypocrites...oh and let's not forget that we're not compassionate and lob ad hominem attacks. Let's see have I forgotten anything here?3. Well if you were so sure your ideas are the right ones, you could simply "wait for me to be ready to embrace (insert random religion concept)", or you could try and "help me", knowing that I'm going to hell and all that bullcrap. But instead, you choose to direct ad hominem attacks, avoid my arguments and ask me for proving negatives. You don't follow your own religion precepts of love and compassion. Christians = Hypocrites.
Yes!! And I've already asked you to substantiate "such a wild statement"...? Show me the empiricism for this claim...Facundo wrote:There you go! Wasn't so hard was it? Oh, you looked for the word miracle? Gotta learn to read better eh? =)Facundo wrote:Hawkings used the word "accident" refering to an improbable event, something perhaps you didn't quite get. Given millions of years, any improbable event will happen at least once. And that's how life emerged. Chemistry laws permit it.
You cannot be an atheist if you have not made an informed decision based on the evaluation of evidence. Do you get it now? Have things got that bad that you are now recruiting babies? Atheism is the belief in no god. Can a baby be an atheist? Agnosticism says we cannot know if there is a god. Can a baby really come to such a conclusion?Facundo wrote:When you are born, you don't believe in deities. Babies are atheists.
Yep, and belief in chance as the cause of the universe requires the oxymoron of an irrational "rationalisation," of which any sensible thinking baby would probably shy away from.Facundo wrote:[Personal gods require rationalizations and explanations (specifically as to WHY THEY DON'T SHOW THEMSELVES IN ANY WAY). The absence of belief in them is only natural, because there's no good reason to believe.
Well?DannyM wrote:And talking of indoctrination, at what age were you indoctrinated into atheism?
We are willing to "tolerate atheists" who are willing to discuss while "treading carefully".zoegirl wrote:facundo, please read through the board purpose and discussion guidelines. We are primarily a Christian board and are willing to tolerate atheists who are willing to discuss while treading carefully.
Critically? What would you like me to criticise? Show me an empirical claim and I'll criticise it right now...Facundo wrote:Did you even stop to read what that user wrote? Perhaps think about it critically?DannyM wrote:Oh dear, we have another one ...Facundo wrote:Yeah, christians tend to do that, and it's only natural you think that way. The concept's also called witch hunt, scientific prosecution, holocaust, etc.
Bye-byeFacundo wrote:We are willing to "tolerate atheists" who are willing to discuss while "treading carefully".zoegirl wrote:facundo, please read through the board purpose and discussion guidelines. We are primarily a Christian board and are willing to tolerate atheists who are willing to discuss while treading carefully.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
Some months ago, the pope asked for 5 years of prison against a comedian who "blasphemed" against him.
And that's the justice christians believe in.
Saying "bull" is is a non-Christian slur? Ok I'll say it this way then... Bull.Facundo wrote: Nice christian retort.
Oh, so now you say you do need instructions.. Not for a primordial one huh? Ok then show us how you build a cell out of primordial soup.. Don't be bashful.Facundo wrote:You need instructions to build a modern cell, but not for a primordial one. You seem to confuse those two.
Mountains of evidence? There is none.. And you have beautifully confirmed that for us by not revealing any of it.. You can't.Facundo wrote:There's lot of solid facts and evidence, such as aminoacides already in comets going near earth. MOUNTAINS of evidence actually, but it's nothing a christian would read anyway, would it?
Not at all.. The ability for an organism to adapt to it's environment via mirco-evolution does not prove macro-evolution. It only proves adaptability. You seem to be confusing the two.. Show me where a single cell can magically transform it's self into a human and then we will talk. At this point, no one even with all the ingredients in the world can reproduce a single molecule let alone a cell.Facundo wrote:If you grant credibility to microevolution and acknowledge population bottlenecks have happened, you're granting credibility to macroevolution. They are not separate.
It's just speculation... And unfortunately you fell for it hook line and sinker and made it your fact of life.. Too bad and such a waste.Facundo wrote:Your questions can be answered by Wikipedia and 30 minutes of source-checking. If you think you can't do that, or you think you're important enough to deserve someone to chew it all for you and explain it... You are deluded either way.
You seem to confuse a theory with a hunch. You should read more about aminoacides and phospholypids (hint: it's not in the bible).
Really? Not the way you are taking it.. You are calling it your fact, your reality with it's mountain of evidence... You have given all your authority to your science, your god...Facundo wrote:Science's not about certainty, it's about the search for it. Religion's ALL about certainty. That's where the problem lies.
This is quite funny... Can the natural world be explained and understood only in natural terms? If so, then we must have some indication that it is possible. As an example if one was to look at the brain, how would one conclude that there was consciousness? If you looked at a chemical process in the brain could you find what someone said that day or a book that they might have read?Facundo wrote:So far, natural effects can explain everything around us. Even if they didn't right now, it doesn't mean that one day they won't, and that we should believe in baseless religion stories.
A harsh truth's better than a comforting lie.
OK...if the 11th Doctor comes back someone could suggest he re-read Facundo's posts. The 11th Dr. was asking about Pharaoh's heart being hardened and Facundo's posts are a good example of someone's heart hardening before our eyes.zoegirl wrote:he's gone
When all else fails... Sometimes you have to play the victim too..Facundo wrote:Yeah, christians tend to do that, and it's only natural you think that way. The concept's also called witch hunt, scientific prosecution, holocaust, etc.
When I saw the above from Facundo, I thought, Oh dear, here we go again...Galileo is surely gonna get a mention any second now...Gman wrote:When all else fails... Sometimes you have to play the victim too..Facundo wrote:Yeah, christians tend to do that, and it's only natural you think that way. The concept's also called witch hunt, scientific prosecution, holocaust, etc.
As for someone comparing themselves or the beliefs to the Jewish holocaust.. Is not only inaccurate, but very unfair and rude.
