Evidence for God from Science

BavarianWheels wrote: Once again you add words, twist and change ideas and attribute someone elses words to me. Show me where I said these things. I presented what is the going view of Americans, so if you have debate, it's with at least 20% of America.

Are we crying wolf again? In your own words.. "What's scary is that they chose a person willing to tear down America over simply crooked politicians of which if given the choice, I pick the crook over the Muslim, anti-American any day of the week, and twice on the Sabbath.

Or in your own words...

BavarianWheels wrote:Here's another article...I really enjoyed reading this one because this person took a full swing.
The Truth about Obama's Muslim 'Faith'

...and another great gathering of words.
Let Me Translate: We Don't Believe Him -- or You

Who do you think you were implying?

BavarianWheels wrote:Let's also take a look at another article posted today.
President Obama's Compulsive Appeasement Disorder

Is this really the type of "christian" we want leading us? Once again I'll say that oblister is in because in the least, God allowed him there. But it appeases me that in the same way, the Pharoah of Egypt was also a tool of God.

Is the gay agenda really every Christian's only point of being duped?
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Again.. I would say that I was duped on a person who would support the gay agenda.. But as for upholding the Christian values, show me a recent president that has ever walked that line?

For the record.. Gman was probably a dunce for voting for Obama. At the time it seemed like a good idea. But now, I see that I might have made a goof... That being bowing to the liberal left and all..

Next time I'm probably voting independent.

Gman wrote:For the record.. Gman was probably a dunce for voting for Obama. At the time it seemed like a good idea. But now, I see that I might have made a goof... That being bowing to the liberal left and all..

Next time I'm probably voting independent.

My wife rarely posts here, but one of your old Obama election discussions got her posting.

Kurieuo wrote:

Gman wrote:For the record.. Gman was probably a dunce for voting for Obama. At the time it seemed like a good idea. But now, I see that I might have made a goof... That being bowing to the liberal left and all..

Next time I'm probably voting independent.

My wife rarely posts here, but one of your old Obama election discussions got her posting.

Really? which one..

Gman wrote:

Kurieuo wrote:

Gman wrote:For the record.. Gman was probably a dunce for voting for Obama. At the time it seemed like a good idea. But now, I see that I might have made a goof... That being bowing to the liberal left and all..

Next time I'm probably voting independent.

My wife rarely posts here, but one of your old Obama election discussions got her posting.

Really? which one..

Mrs K

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I guess Oblunder is Christian...
what a joke!

Oblister goes to church

...and then goes golfing.
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BavarianWheels wrote:.
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I guess Oblunder is Christian...
what a joke!

Oblister goes to church

...and then goes golfing.
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That article is enough for me. Obama is a Christian for sure. I also believe that Obama is a member of the PGA as well.

Interesting little fact about that church going of Obama...it was only the third time in a year that he had gone, and it happened on the same day that that specific church had a Muslim speaker:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/20/ ... m-speaker/

So how is the issue of Obama being a Muslim seen on a social level in the US?

I was talking to my brother over here about it, and he reacted negatively when I made mere mention of Obama being Muslim.

Let me first say that my brother is quite taken by liberal social views. He seems to think its your "nut-case American evangelical Christian" (his words) who believes such things, and that they are thing are often joked about on television and in the media.

How many here sincerely believe Obama is Muslim, and is there any real merit? At the end of the day, from here in Australia, I just see more of an Atheistic worldview than any particular religious affiliation.

I don't believe he's a Muslim. It's a very symbolically and emotionally loaded charge however and the same crowd that was willing to believe he wasn't born in the US doesn't need any reason to believe other than they don't like him. I think it's a sad commentary on our society, but then there's ample history throughout American history of nasty politics and similar charges being trotted out from all major political positions.

Whether or not he is, I do believe he is far too sympathetic with regards to foreign policy. Naive at the least...

Nobody of course can know his heart...

My opinion is that because he essentially grew up Muslim, he has a much more sympathetic view towards Muslims than most Americans. That is probably being mistaken for actually being Muslim. Around 20-25% of Americans, depending on which poll you want to believe, believes that he is Muslim.

I agree that he probably not a hardcore atheist, but some kind of spiritualist agnostic or universalist.

So Bart, do you have conclusive proof that he was born in the USA?

How many here sincerely believe Obama is Muslim, and is there any real merit? At the end of the day, from here in Australia, I just see more of an Atheistic worldview than any particular religious affiliation.

Remember, Obama was born to a Muslim Father. That makes him Muslim by birth. Obama could be killed in some countries for renouncing the Muslim faith. While he may no longer be a Muslim, one can certainly make a case that he is a crusader for Islam, given his track record, especially with regards to Israel. What do people see from Obama that leads them to believe that he is Muslim? Is everyone just a right-wing-evangelical-whacko-Christian that doesn't like Obama? I think people are starting to see him for what he is.

Canuckster1127 wrote:I don't believe he's a Muslim. It's a very symbolically and emotionally loaded charge however and the same crowd that was willing to believe he wasn't born in the US doesn't need any reason to believe other than they don't like him. I think it's a sad commentary on our society, but then there's ample history throughout American history of nasty politics and similar charges being trotted out from all major political positions.

Bart, I have no political affiliation, and I can see that Obama has more than just sympathy for the cause of Islam. I can't speak for the "right-wing loonies" that do have a political agenda, but I certainly don't. I just call em like I see em.

August wrote:So Bart, do you have conclusive proof that he was born in the USA?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you .....