Gman wrote:Katetblue wrote:What are your beliefs? You have posted several theories and made some good points in the one about Islam but haven't said what you believe.
I like pulling from many sources so I'm not exactly riveted to one idea.. My belief however is that there is a good chance that the anti-Christ will come from Islam. The topic of Israeli Zionism will certainly be heating up in the next following months/years and should be the focal point of the world's news. More nations will fall away from Israeli support and it probably will be left abandoned. The holocaust will be old news and will be turned against Israel as a political ploy. After that, the world will find out who is in charge as Christ returns.. Israel will survive. Again my best guess..
What is the correlation between empires mentioned in Daniel concerning Nebuchadnezzar’s statue/idol dream?
Babylon Empire - Gold
Mede/Persian Empire - Silver
Greek Empire - Brass
Roman Empire - Iron
B. W. wrote: Please Note:There is a common theme between them all. I will forgo citing reference sources here as these would too numerous to cite, this discourse is too long as it is to make it longer. I suggest you do your own research. If you use the internet, I’ll supply key phases so you can search this out on your own at the end of this survey.
First thing to note is that the Babylon Empire, Mede/Persian Empire, Greek Empire, and Roman Empire all sought to dominate other kingdoms and subjugate the known world under their own Laws. Each of these enactments of Laws incorporated an evolving use of governors, Satraps, etc and etc, along with each empire’s codes of governing standards. After a period of time elapsed each empire tumbled into division, excess, intrigue, infighting, eventual chaos, and collapse which resulted in the splintering of these empires.
Common to that ancient era, each of these four Empires had a deity that would bless their endeavors of world governance. This brings us to the next common trait all these Empires used – worship of Celestial planetary bodies and stars and assigning gods to each. This began an blending each empires pseudo gods causing these evolve and developed traits. Each Empire basically gave preeminence two deities, which developed into assigning planetary masses and stars to a pantheon. The bible tells us that such paganism is an abomination to Yahweh and not to practice such things.
In the pagan world of those eras of history each had one supreme deity (usually related to Sun) and the others related planetary and stars in the sky they could see. Assyria’s pantheon began to be blended into the Babylonian Empire’s pantheon of gods. This influenced a Babylonian empire ruler to adopt a foreign god known as Nannar – moon god.
Then in turn each Empire represented in Daniels interpretation of the Idol was influenced by a story how this moon god wanted to supplant the head deity and rule all the stars/universe. The common theme of the moon god -Sin/Nanna- was the crescent moon symbol. The moon god’s goal was to have all other gods religions submit to it and implement a set of law to govern all to ensure submission.
Sound familiar?
The statue in the book of Daniel represented the Babylon Empire – Gold, Mede/Persian Empire – Silver, Greek Empire – Brass and these three all shared in worship of the foreign moon god from Assyria. In fact, Alexander the Great empire was lauded to be represented by the Artemis temple in Ephesus, then, one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world –
See Link Godess of the Moon
Next, the Roman Empire – worshiped every pseudo-god there was, mixed them up, combined them, refined them, evolved them further, etc. They eventually conquered the world under the Mithras mystery religion (roughly beginning 1 AD – birth of Christ time period no less) to justify how they conquered and what they did to the conquered. Mithras system came from the silver Persian Empire no less.
Mithras religious system included planetary worship and had seven secret rites for member perform in order to reach the pater – father – one of these rites involves the moon/Persian rite. The eighth mystery rite or step after the father was to reach Leontocephaline and this event, whatever it was, remains hidden and forgotten today. Each of Mithras many rites appear to involve submission of some sort and swearing to oaths and legal codes bonding members to each other to spread the empire of Rome.
Also note that the Babylon Empire - Mede/Persian Empire - Greek Empire - Roman Empire - all involved different degrees of submission to imperial law and enslavement to build the empire. Each step of these four empires built upon each other’s principles of law as well as refined different forms of governance in its lands to ensure trade, prosperity, security, culture to more refined sophistication. (Note Alexander The Great quote below) All four empires created desolations and all four likewise ended up in division and chaos.
All mortals should live like one, united, and peacefully working towards the common good. You should regard the whole world as your country, a country where the best govern, with common laws, and no racial distinctions. I do not separate people, as many narrow-minded others do. I am not interested in the origin or race of citizens; I only distinguish them on the basis of their virtue. For my part, I consider all, whether they be white or black, equal.
Alexander The Great
The moon deity was incorporated in three of these empires. Historical records reveal that the worship of the moon god sought to overthrow the supreme deity of that nation and sought to bring the entire pantheon of gods and all people under its submission. Please note that the Roman Empire’s main deity was Jupiter/Zeus. They built a temple to Jupiter on the temple mount around 135 AD. It was replaced by whom in 690 AD period and what symbol was placed on top of it? Was it not a Crescent Moon?
See any similarities?
One last note on the Dome of the Rock – there are at least eight special Domes on the old Temple mount site. Seven of these represent interesting things. Likewise, please note that under the Mithras of ancient Rome there were seven rites all related to the planets as well too which was needed to reach - father. There were some aside rites as well. (Maybe some relation with the dome of the rock?? Not sure but interesting nevertheless to note)
Then there is
Leontocephaline of the Mithras making total of eight distinct practices of Mithras. Then on the Dome of the Rock - You have one big main Dome crowned with a crescent moon midst all the smaller seven special Domes on site also with various crescents /star symbols marking the way to reach god thru submission to the main law of empire…in the Main big Dome - allah...
The symbolism is striking and all connect back to Babylonian period when a moon god sought to overthrow all deities and bring all creation under submission to it by imposing its imperial law over all. Atop the big Dome of the Rock, surrounded by the other smaller ones, rest a crescent moon and within the grounds tenants of Islamic Jihad goal exposed.
This fits Daniel 11:39 mentioning a
Foreign god very well.: please note that the moon god crescent came from Assyrian – Nineveh and UR and thus is a foreign god to the Babylonian empire before Nabonidus introduced and it caused what-division- did it not?
The moon god sought to do and accomplish what according to its traits?
Dan 11:39, “
Thus he shall act against the strongest fortresses with a foreign god, which he shall acknowledge, and advance its glory; and he shall cause them to rule over many, and divide the land for gain.” NKJV
The moon god’s trait is a hunter of men (heard that before?) seeking to enslave them to submit to Kingdom of Babel. A pseudo god who seeks to bring-rule by force, thru use of diabolical intelligence, wisdom, and legalist cultural norms based on warfare and building strongholds within other kingdoms before seeking to overthrow them – divide for gain…. The moon god has evolved in increasing sophistication but its goals remain clear cut - unchanged.
Dan 11:38, “
But in their place he shall honor a god of fortresses (Hebrew word meaning i.e. forces, warring, building strongholds within lands); and a god which his fathers did not know....” NKJV
A god his fathers did not know fits well with the history of the moon god infiltrating first the Babylonia Empire, then the Persian, the Greek empire, and then the Roman empire thru Mithras mystery religion of planetary worship and rites bringing oppression, enslavement, division and chaos wherever it took hold (desolations). A true foreign god is that moon god to each of these empires, fulfilling Daniels words to the full.
Dan 11:38, “…
and a god which his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and pleasant things.” NKJV
Interesting how pretty the Dome of the Rock was crafted with such splendor and then notice the spread of the Crescent Moon worldwide since it was built, along with what the Dome of the Rock actually symbolizes… (how long has it been sitting there?)
One side wants to proclaim all is fulfilled, so no worry, no need for oil in your lamp and others are only looking intently at the Pope, forgetting about the need for oil for their lamps due to their fixation.
Amazingly, there seems to be no one heeding the spread of the Crescent Moon…
...but there are a few, a few who will ready their lamps.
Go ahead ignore it, but can you really ignore something so blatantly in your face for centuries? Dome of the Rock with its crescent moon?
For reference:
Reference internet: Search - Babylon Empire - Mede/Persian Empire - Greek Empire - Roman Empire and relate each to moon god, deities, gods, set up of governing lands and law codes it imposed. Also look up Mithras and Nabonidus and take your time. Look up the history and ground plans of the Dome of the Rock as well.
Nabodinus, Last Great King of Babylon
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Nero blamed the great fire in Rome on the Christians, but had set it himself. The common folk believed him, most of the higher level governors did not. The pursecution began AD 64 and Nero died AD 68. John could have been captured and exiled during this time. When was the vision and when did he write it down? We don't know. When and how did the letters get to the churches? I don't know but if it was anytime after AD 70 they were far too late. To be of any use to anyone of the time, they would have had to been written and sent out between AD65 and AD69. Vespasian, who severly pursecuted the jews and Christians and toppled the temple, began his reign in December of AD 69. He destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70 and his succesor, Titus, continued the terror until AD 81. If the Book of Revelation was dispensed to the churches anytime after that, it would have not been prophecy for those people, but Recent history.