Gman wrote:Canuckster1127 wrote:I think you're right Rick. Most don't go to the extreme. Many however do, I think, make those kind of assumptions in their thinking in other areas and don't note the inconsistency and implications in this one.
I've heard YEC people say that the Garden of Eden was a "perfect" place. Well, I'm sorry but foul smells do not conform to the standards of "perfect." If that weren't true, then our thanksgiving meals would be accepting of them (i.e. farts) at the dinner table..
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But why can’t they say that the garden of Eden was perfect,at least under these conditions?
Many other things (bugs, animals chemicals etc) on earth stink or make funny sounds. So one who accepts the YEC view could say that farting or various smells and funny sounds is a common attribute found in the majority of the mammals God created. Therefore, it is likely that farting is not an imperfection. In this case, any mammal that did not emit some kind of smell or sound would be seen as odd or imperfect. You would have to prove that God does not see mammals that fart and/or emit bad smells or embarrassing sounds as perfect. Humans can not see perfection in many things but that does not mean that God does not see the things he created as perfect for what they are.
Job 1:1 Genesis 6:9 Job and Noah were seen as men who walked perfectly (blameless) before the lord, not that they did not sin but they were perfect for sinful humans/humans after the fall (they did what God said was right to do). So, you can have a perfect fallen human…. Also, God called himself good even though he is perfect Mark 10:18. But the catch is that his definition of good is perfect. When God created the earth and mankind, he said that things were good and humans were very good. But this comes from a perfect God, compared to Him, nothing else can be perfect.
If Adam and Eve did not sin then they would not have died-when Jesus comes back, he will give his children a body that does not die. Does this mean that Adam and Eve had the kind of body Jesus will give his children? If so, then their bodies were as good as humans will get and therefore they were physically perfect humans (just not perfect compared to God).
Or, if a YEC wanted to say that their was no farting then they can also use what I said in my first and second post here (which I said for fun or as a joke).
As Bart said, Jesus most likely farted, that is logical. But a YEC could still say that Jesus came down to be an example for fallen sinful humans. And so he was born with the type of body that fallen sinful humans have and suffered as one of us and he did this because he loved us. But he left earth with a different body, who can say how that body will function or that Adam and Eve did not have the same body or say what kind of food God will provide etc.
It all depends on one’s perspective….
Huh, a beam in my eye? No, you're mistaken. Let's just say that this patch keeps things....interesting.