Evidence for God from Science

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

MBPrata wrote:Christian fellows:

You know, there are days in which I believe in God (yeah, I have that difficulty to decide). But the more time passes, the less I believe in the God of the Bible. I mean...if God wants what is written in the Bible, it's rather unclear why He did things the way they are. Namely: does God really want us to know He exists?

Because if He does, He sure gave us some serious reasons not to believe in that! I know, Jesus came to the Earth, but maybe we'll talk about that later. My problem isn't that one; my problem is with the universe itself, the Earth, the human body and so on. Now, if God really wants us to believe He exists, I don't understand why He created such a universe. Let's see:


- He created a law by which particles can totally come out of "nowhere" (mr. Deem doesn't deny it:

Although it is possible for things such as particles to pop into existence from "nothing," it has never been shown that non-quantum-sized objects can perform such feats.

), thus leading us to think stuff can come out of nowhere with no divine intervention whatsoever
- He created a universe in which every single thing changes, thus leading us to think an "eternal" reality (e.g. Heaven) can not exist
- He (we assume) designed a lot of human-like creatures, thus giving us reasons to believe in evolution. Not to mention some really similar creatures...
- He made us sleep, thus leading us to think that a lesser quantity of electricity on the brain can obliterate all consciousness
- He made us dream and hallucinate, thus leading us to think "reality" comes from our brain and we can never be sure of what reality is


And I'm sure there are more. You see, I'm ok with thinking outside of the box and believing in a sentient, eternal, intelligent being creating our universe, but these apparent lacks of logic on God's thought really keep me away from belief. Well...at least from the belief in the God described in the Bible. Have you considered all this "clues" God gave us to think He isn't real? What are your thoughts on this?

I thank you in advance.

If God wants us to know that he exist, he is doing a pretty poor job of it, by letting people get their heads sawed off.

It's called free will and God is a respector of our choices whether they are good or bad. Unfortunately sawing of heads is a consequence of bad choices.

You just said that God respects people who saw other peoples heads off, are you aware of this?

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

MBPrata wrote:Christian fellows:

You know, there are days in which I believe in God (yeah, I have that difficulty to decide). But the more time passes, the less I believe in the God of the Bible. I mean...if God wants what is written in the Bible, it's rather unclear why He did things the way they are. Namely: does God really want us to know He exists?

Because if He does, He sure gave us some serious reasons not to believe in that! I know, Jesus came to the Earth, but maybe we'll talk about that later. My problem isn't that one; my problem is with the universe itself, the Earth, the human body and so on. Now, if God really wants us to believe He exists, I don't understand why He created such a universe. Let's see:


- He created a law by which particles can totally come out of "nowhere" (mr. Deem doesn't deny it:

Although it is possible for things such as particles to pop into existence from "nothing," it has never been shown that non-quantum-sized objects can perform such feats.

), thus leading us to think stuff can come out of nowhere with no divine intervention whatsoever
- He created a universe in which every single thing changes, thus leading us to think an "eternal" reality (e.g. Heaven) can not exist
- He (we assume) designed a lot of human-like creatures, thus giving us reasons to believe in evolution. Not to mention some really similar creatures...
- He made us sleep, thus leading us to think that a lesser quantity of electricity on the brain can obliterate all consciousness
- He made us dream and hallucinate, thus leading us to think "reality" comes from our brain and we can never be sure of what reality is


And I'm sure there are more. You see, I'm ok with thinking outside of the box and believing in a sentient, eternal, intelligent being creating our universe, but these apparent lacks of logic on God's thought really keep me away from belief. Well...at least from the belief in the God described in the Bible. Have you considered all this "clues" God gave us to think He isn't real? What are your thoughts on this?

I thank you in advance.

If God wants us to know that he exist, he is doing a pretty poor job of it, by letting people get their heads sawed off.

It's called free will and God is a respector of our choices whether they are good or bad. Unfortunately sawing of heads is a consequence of bad choices.

You just said that God respects people who saw other peoples heads off, are you aware of this?

Danieltwotwenty wrote:This is off topic, so we should not derail this thread further. Perhaps you could start a new topic on this subject and I will engage the question there.

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:This is off topic, so we should not derail this thread further. Perhaps you could start a new topic on this subject and I will engage the question there.

Why not answer, do you believe that God is watching you now? Instead of beginning new? If God is watching us, how could any person not know that he is real, this should be easy, for a God anyway? It just is not logical, though the question is very good.

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:This is off topic, so we should not derail this thread further. Perhaps you could start a new topic on this subject and I will engage the question there.

Why not answer, do you believe that God is watching you now? Instead of beginning new? If God is watching us, how could any person not know that he is real, this should be easy, for a God anyway? It just is not logical, though the question is very good.

I told you why I wouldn't answer as we have strayed very far from the topic and I don't think it is fair to the OP to derail his post. Please start a new topic with your question and I will happily answer it there.

Cheers

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:This is off topic, so we should not derail this thread further. Perhaps you could start a new topic on this subject and I will engage the question there.

Why not answer, do you believe that God is watching you now? Instead of beginning new? If God is watching us, how could any person not know that he is real, this should be easy, for a God anyway? It just is not logical, though the question is very good.

I told you why I wouldn't answer as we have strayed very far from the topic and I don't think it is fair to the OP to derail his post. Please start a new topic with your question and I will happily answer it there.

Cheers

Does God really want us to know that He exist?

PS. Back on topic...............

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:This is off topic, so we should not derail this thread further. Perhaps you could start a new topic on this subject and I will engage the question there.

Why not answer, do you believe that God is watching you now? Instead of beginning new? If God is watching us, how could any person not know that he is real, this should be easy, for a God anyway? It just is not logical, though the question is very good.

I told you why I wouldn't answer as we have strayed very far from the topic and I don't think it is fair to the OP to derail his post. Please start a new topic with your question and I will happily answer it there.

Cheers

Does God really want us to know that He exist?

PS. Back on topic...............

I was more interested in the other question, oh well, I would say yes because I believe he is a personal being. Why would he create creatures with the ability to have a relationship and not want to have a relationship with them himself, it doesn't make any sense to me because if God is not relational at all then neither would we be. I believe we are made in the image of God, so it stands to reason that I would believe he is relational and would want us to know of his existence.

Why will we leave life on distant planets to evolve without us? Mars is there, as there will be others, once we leave a microbe on Mars, that can live, and evolve into new forms, then we are God, as we have brought life to other Worlds. Most people can't see this until it is pointed out, but few seem to argue it, because it will happen, in fact it has to happen, if we are to survive.

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:This is off topic, so we should not derail this thread further. Perhaps you could start a new topic on this subject and I will engage the question there.

Why not answer, do you believe that God is watching you now? Instead of beginning new? If God is watching us, how could any person not know that he is real, this should be easy, for a God anyway? It just is not logical, though the question is very good.

I told you why I wouldn't answer as we have strayed very far from the topic and I don't think it is fair to the OP to derail his post. Please start a new topic with your question and I will happily answer it there.

Cheers

Does God really want us to know that He exist?

PS. Back on topic...............

bippy123 wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:

TheQuestor wrote:

Danieltwotwenty wrote:This is off topic, so we should not derail this thread further. Perhaps you could start a new topic on this subject and I will engage the question there.

Why not answer, do you believe that God is watching you now? Instead of beginning new? If God is watching us, how could any person not know that he is real, this should be easy, for a God anyway? It just is not logical, though the question is very good.

I told you why I wouldn't answer as we have strayed very far from the topic and I don't think it is fair to the OP to derail his post. Please start a new topic with your question and I will happily answer it there.

Cheers

Does God really want us to know that He exist?

PS. Back on topic...............

Questor , let me ask u a question if my own .
How badly do you want God ?
Would u sacrifice your whole life in this earth to try to find him ?