Evidence for God from Science

Storyteller wrote: To be honest I'd rather read a 'false' version than none at all. I will try and get a few versions but right now I have a NIV version and at least I can get an idea of God's Word.
Annette

Well, don't worry because I really don't think the NIV is a "false version." In fact, I'd say that it's actually a very good version. My point was that folks who claim that the KJV is the only real or inspired version of the Bible are simply ignorant of the history and use really poor logic to defend their position. If the KJV translators were alive today, they definitely wouldn't be KJV onlyists.
I agree that the KJV is an excellent translation, but it draws from less sources than newer versions. Nutjobs like Sam Gipp, Gail Riplinger, and Steven Anderson have only caused this strange conspiracy theory to persist when it should have died a long time ago. Anderson even admits that his logic is circular, but doesn't care because he "feels" that the KJV is the only correct version via the Holy Spirit. (How convenient!)

SOOOOO....Go right on ahead and continue reading your perfectly adequate NIV Bible.

Will do

It's the only version I had/have (may have different versions in my shop) but there was enough of God's Word in there to cause me to question if it could be true. It'll do as a starting point.

I am titaly new to this so have no idea about this whole argument or who the people you mention are, yet still I found God!

To think I thought I couldn't hear God, he is positively yelling at me now

There are multiple to hundreds of issues with all English versions of the bible, including the KJV. If you want one that is the purest and closest to the original Hebrew, get the HalleluYah Scriptures. And it's free.
http://www.halleluyahscriptures.com/hal ... ior-bible/

Edit: that doesn't mean most bibles aren't good for coming to Yeshua. It does mean that information and knowledge that was revealed to humanity has been concealed, however. But, everything we need to know to be saved and start our walk with Elohim is in the NIV, the KJV and many other mainstream english bibles.

I absolutely agree Mallz. ANY Bible is a good place to start in my opinion.
I also want to read the stuff that didn't get included. I read the Gospel of Ghomas years ago, that was my original starting point. Am I right in thinking that it isn't found in the Bible.

I honestly believe that if you are genuinely looking for God, He will find you, no matter what version of His Word you read.
Annette

I read the Gospel of Ghomas years ago, that was my original starting point.

An example of some good coming from something evil :p. Stay away from the gnostic 'gospels'. Lies are within.

thesign wrote:

melanie wrote:But you stated that you were on a third mission from God

I went back and responded to your post in the introductions. I finally found the 'subscribe' button this morning, again, else I might have responded sooner. I figured for a while that the 'subscribe' button was disabled (out of view), and that anything further would come to light in due course. Thank you for being patient.

The time between the 2nd and 3rd missions is roughly 1,925 years. I was beheaded c. 31 A.D. as John, in a prison. On the morning of June 25, 1956 A.D. (P. = Parousia), I found myself taking my first breaths again (for the third time by the way) in the Chester County Prison-to-be (it was under construction) right here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. For a few of those 1,925 years, I was in Sheol (aka Hades, Hell, the Abyss, etc.). But when Christ died things changed, but I remained in a long sleep, for that is what death is to Christ, He said so concerning Lazarus, whom He also raised. My death as John is much like those who came out of their tombs when Christ died, and then also went back to rest, not unless some still have remained, as all things shall be possible with God.

God speaks through every person, place, and thing. He is the Cause of all, and not out of necessity, but freely Willed.

Thanks for answering my questions.
I'm not quite sure how to respond, all I can say is this;
I have seen wonderful people, whom love God get completely lost on their path. What starts out as a growing relationship with The Almighty leads to place of implausible, delusional thinking.
I have a family member that I love deeply that went down that road.
She started believing she was a prophet and actually said once that she believed she was Elijah. She alienated her church, her friends stopped coming over and other aspects of her life became completely secondary to her delusion. It was a painful time for everyone who loved her. She was not trying to deceive anyone, or trick anyone she honestly believed what she was saying. She spoke of dreams and visions, which was just part of the delusion. She got so swept up in it I think it carried her to a place she never intended.
I think that in her case there were several reasons why she stumbled. I think she was truly in awe and blown away by the presence of God in her life, she took those feelings of experiencing God to a place where it led to delusions of grandeur. I think it was her genetics and predisposition to create fantasies. I also believe that working against the good of God is a force unseen that likes to manipulate and create havoc if allowed in Gods children. Now, she no longer thinks like that, she is still a little bonkers but that's part of her appeal. She rarely speaks about it, but she awknowledges that something went very awry. She speaks of how real it seemed and that she felt so strongly that God was showing her these things.
She is one of the most wonderful people I have ever known, with a faith that she never compromises. She is not greedy, or arrogant, she is patient and generous, kind and forgiving. She is not hurtful, or prideful or lustful. Those things could not be used against her to lead her away from God, like too many of us. So her greatest weakness was picked upon and exploited, a predisposition to detach from reality.


God loves you,
I'm sure that's something you already know and feel, it's obvious from your words.
Please consider that these things you are saying are not true, they are not bringing you closer to God, but leading you astray.
I will be keeping you in my prayers thesign
God bless

Storyteller wrote:I absolutely agree Mallz. ANY Bible is a good place to start in my opinion.
I also want to read the stuff that didn't get included. I read the Gospel of Ghomas years ago, that was my original starting point. Am I right in thinking that it isn't found in the Bible.

I honestly believe that if you are genuinely looking for God, He will find you, no matter what version of His Word you read.
Annette

Yes, the Gospel of Thomas wasn't included in the New Testament for several reasons. First of all it's a later Gnostic work and anything beyond the first century was not included by default. For a very basic overview of apostolicity, orthodoxy, and catholicity check out this blog article by Dan Wallace about the "New New Testament" heresy:

http://danielbwallace.com/2013/03/17/a- ... u-serious/

Mallz wrote:

I read the Gospel of Ghomas years ago, that was my original starting point.

An example of some good coming from something evil :p. Stay away from the gnostic 'gospels'. Lies are within.

How and why?

Doesn't gnostic mean knowledge? Isn't. that what we seek? Or is that/was that our downfall? The pursuit of knowledge?

Annette

Rob wrote:

Storyteller wrote:I absolutely agree Mallz. ANY Bible is a good place to start in my opinion.
I also want to read the stuff that didn't get included. I read the Gospel of Ghomas years ago, that was my original starting point. Am I right in thinking that it isn't found in the Bible.

I honestly believe that if you are genuinely looking for God, He will find you, no matter what version of His Word you read.
Annette

Yes, the Gospel of Thomas wasn't included in the New Testament for several reasons. First of all it's a later Gnostic work and anything beyond the first century was not included by default. For a very basic overview of apostolicity, orthodoxy, and catholicity check out this blog article by Dan Wallace about the "New New Testament" heresy:

http://danielbwallace.com/2013/03/17/a- ... u-serious/

Forgive me my ignorance again, heresy means?

I believe that if something I read, no matter the origin, brings me closer to God and truth then it's worth reading. I didn't accept God lightly and I still have questions but I have the Holy Spirit inside me and I question everything, except my faith.
So, I ask why to everything.

Annette

Storyteller wrote: How and why?

Doesn't gnostic mean knowledge? Isn't. that what we seek? Or is that/was that our downfall? The pursuit of knowledge?

Annette

Yes, Gnosis means knowledge, but it is a self-described title. They're more interested in "secret spiritual mysteries" than truth. They do not see Jesus like we see Him. They see Yahweh as a bumbling foolish lesser God that created us known as the Demiurge.

Storyteller wrote: Forgive me my ignorance again, heresy means?

I believe that if something I read, no matter the origin, brings me closer to God and truth then it's worth reading. I didn't accept God lightly and I still have questions but I have the Holy Spirit inside me and I question everything, except my faith.
So, I ask why to everything.

Annette

Heresy is the word we use when something goes against established doctrine. In most cases, "Gnostic" heresies are damnable heresies because they deny the work of Christ and his equality with the Father.

Keep in mind that much of the Gnostic text is much later than the canonical text and can't be attributed to an author, which is part of why it can't really be trusted. Also, look at some of the things Jesus says and does in them.
Does this sound like the Jesus you know?

From the Gospel of Thomas:
Simon Peter said to them: Let Mariham go out from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Look, I will lead her that I may make her male, in order that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who makes herself male will enter into the kingdom of heaven.

In The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, a child Jesus is playing with other children at a brook he had made and is making clay sparrows and things. A neighbor messes up the water with a willow reed and Jesus gets mad and curses him like a fig tree and he withers up right then and there on the spot. Later as Jesus is walking in the street, another child accidentally bumps into him. He gets pissed and simply kills the kid with a word.

Another bit of humor from the Acts of John:
Now on the first day we arrived at a deserted inn, and when we were at a loss for a bed for John, we saw a droll matter. There was one bedstead lying somewhere there without coverings, whereon we spread the cloaks which we were wearing, and we prayed him to lie down upon it and rest, while the rest of us all slept upon the floor. But he when he lay down was troubled by the bugs, and as they continued to become yet more troublesome to him, when it was now about the middle of the night, in the hearing of us all he said to them: I say unto you, 0 bugs, behave yourselves, one and all, and leave your abode for this night and remain quiet in one place, and keep your distance from the servants of God. And as we laughed, and went on talking for some time, John addressed himself to sleep; and we, talking low, gave him no disturbance (or, thanks to him we were not disturbed).
But when the day was now dawning I arose first, and with me Verus and Andronicus, and we saw at the door of the house which we had taken a great number of bugs standing, and while we wondered at the great sight of them, and all the brethren were roused up because of them, John continued sleeping. And when he was awaked we declared to him what we had seen. And he sat up on the bed and looked at them and said: Since ye have well behaved yourselves in hearkening to my rebuke, come unto your place. And when he had said this, and risen from the bed, the bugs running from the door hasted to the bed and climbed up by the legs thereof and disappeared into the joints. And John said again: This creature hearkened unto the voice of a man, and abode by itself and was quiet and trespassed not. but we which hear the voice and commandments of God disobey and are light-minded: and for how long?
Can anyone else hear Michael Palin's voice when reading this?

thesign wrote:

melanie wrote:But you stated that you were on a third mission from God

I went back and responded to your post in the introductions. I finally found the 'subscribe' button this morning, again, else I might have responded sooner. I figured for a while that the 'subscribe' button was disabled (out of view), and that anything further would come to light in due course. Thank you for being patient.

The time between the 2nd and 3rd missions is roughly 1,925 years. I was beheaded c. 31 A.D. as John, in a prison. On the morning of June 25, 1956 A.D. (P. = Parousia), I found myself taking my first breaths again (for the third time by the way) in the Chester County Prison-to-be (it was under construction) right here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. For a few of those 1,925 years, I was in Sheol (aka Hades, Hell, the Abyss, etc.). But when Christ died things changed, but I remained in a long sleep, for that is what death is to Christ, He said so concerning Lazarus, whom He also raised. My death as John is much like those who came out of their tombs when Christ died, and then also went back to rest, not unless some still have remained, as all things shall be possible with God.

God speaks through every person, place, and thing. He is the Cause of all, and not out of necessity, but freely Willed.

thesign,

You claim to have been in Hell and the abyss or 1,952 years and for that that matter, I think you are correct.

I thank you for identifying yourself here because according to Matthew 27:52,53 and Ephesians 4:8 true saints of God are no longer in sheol, hell, or hades but are with the Lord Jesus Christ who came in Human Flesh and destroyed all the works of the evil one as it is mentioned (strongly suggested in) Philippians 1:23 and 1 Thess 4:13,14. Therefore, by your admittance the testimony of more than 4 references from the scripture testify against your claims.

Yes, you may have been in Hell for 1,952 years, came forth along a family tie, and inhabited the human being called thesign 44 years ago. So in that, I do believe you. So this leads me to another question: do you know of me?
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thesign wrote:

melanie wrote:But you stated that you were on a third mission from God

I went back and responded to your post in the introductions. I finally found the 'subscribe' button this morning, again, else I might have responded sooner. I figured for a while that the 'subscribe' button was disabled (out of view), and that anything further would come to light in due course. Thank you for being patient.

The time between the 2nd and 3rd missions is roughly 1,925 years. I was beheaded c. 31 A.D. as John, in a prison. On the morning of June 25, 1956 A.D. (P. = Parousia), I found myself taking my first breaths again (for the third time by the way) in the Chester County Prison-to-be (it was under construction) right here in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. For a few of those 1,925 years, I was in Sheol (aka Hades, Hell, the Abyss, etc.). But when Christ died things changed, but I remained in a long sleep, for that is what death is to Christ, He said so concerning Lazarus, whom He also raised. My death as John is much like those who came out of their tombs when Christ died, and then also went back to rest, not unless some still have remained, as all things shall be possible with God.

God speaks through every person, place, and thing. He is the Cause of all, and not out of necessity, but freely Willed.

I am sorry, can you please clear this up?
Are you stating that you have been resurrected or reincarnated?

Mel, thank you for the story about that woman. We may be patient, generous, kind, yet the evil may attack somewhere else. We have to be on guard every time and in every aspect.

I am glad te be reminded this.

1over137 wrote:Mel, thank you for the story about that woman. We may be patient, generous, kind, yet the evil may attack somewhere else. We have to be on guard every time and in every aspect.

I am glad te be reminded this.

No worries Hana
It is a reminder to me also.

melanie wrote:you have just made an outrageous claim!

How so?

You, too, might be a resurrected saint. One who was greatly abused through abortion. "A bruised reed He shall not break."