Does God have faith in you?
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How could we not be made up of YHWH? Romans 11:36 is a start
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Re: Does God have faith in you?
Something can come from someone and not be a part of them
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Re: Does God have faith in you?
I dont take that verse the way you do
Re: Does God have faith in you?
Not really. From thought to form.Something can come from someone and not be a part of them
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Re: Does God have faith in you?
mallz,Mallz wrote:Sounds like it, but not what I'm putting forward.Sounds like pantheism. Me no likey pantheism.
Think of it this way (and show me if I'm wrong), our bodies are made up many things, materials, right? What are those materials made up of? What are atoms and particles made up of? Elohim created everything, right? And everything is sustained by Him, right? If we are not made up of God, if we are not 'inside' Him and living 'in and through' Him, then what could we possibly be made up of? And where could we possibly be? Colossians 1:17 <-snippet example
Arg... We are not God. But we come from Him and are made up of what is in Him. We do not have His divinity or nature. Our bodies are His as everything existing is. We are sustained by Him through food and spiritual nourishment. Our relationship with Him is purely relational. Everything else is from Him, sustained by Him and goes to Him. What do we have to offer except our persons?
I think you're confusing the idea that God created all and sustains all, with the idea that everything He created, is Him. The latter is pantheism. Maybe you don't mean that, but that's what you're saying.
God is separate from His creation. He has to be, or He isn't God.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Does God have faith in you?
PANTHEISMMallz wrote:Not really. From thought to form.Something can come from someone and not be a part of them
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Re: Does God have faith in you?
Mallz,
I have no doubt that you are just having trouble saying what you actually mean. I'm pretty sure you don't believe in pantheism.
I have no doubt that you are just having trouble saying what you actually mean. I'm pretty sure you don't believe in pantheism.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Does God have faith in you?
Still, I'm not saying that. I'm not equating the eternal person-hoods of YHWH with creation. I am saying existence, everything itself is a part of Him.I think you're confusing the idea that God created all and sustains all, with the idea that everything He created, is Him.
NOT PANTHEISMMallz wrote:
Something can come from someone and not be a part of them
Not really. From thought to form.
PANTHEISM
I can do big words too
Re: Does God have faith in you?
I believe distinction is only found in relation and essence. But the only unique essence is divine, YHWH. What is that called?
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John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
Re: Does God have faith in you?
That definition is still not what I'm saying... 
I think I give up
I think I give up
Re: Does God have faith in you?
Ok, I'm curious. Could you help me figure out...
If everything is not made up of Him, (not saying divine in any way), then what do we belong to? Made up of? How can we be separate? I don't get it. Again, not sharing divinity..
If everything is not made up of Him, (not saying divine in any way), then what do we belong to? Made up of? How can we be separate? I don't get it. Again, not sharing divinity..
Re: Does God have faith in you?
RickD, from your post describing pantheism:
I'm saying what is underlined but going beyond to the mechanics of reality. We are made up of Him from thought to form. But we are separate from Him and not divine like Him.God is everywhere, but He is not everything. Yes, God is “present” inside a tree and inside a person, but that does not make that tree or person God. Pantheism is not at all a biblical belief.
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Re: Does God have faith in you?
Well i will think about sending you a present and then send you one.Mallz wrote:Not really. From thought to form.Something can come from someone and not be a part of them
P.S the present comes from me
Re: Does God have faith in you?
But does it..?P.S the present comes from me
I'm not going to put it passed me that pantheism somehow slipped in. I don't see that's what I believe though, and I'm talking about more than Omnipresence..
