Evidence for God from Science

Huh? That's precisely what unbiased journalism looks like. They reported both sides of the story, then they provided links to the involved parties' web sites under the heading More Information. The (atheist) Freedom From Religion page is linked and right next to it is a link to the (conservative Christian) Alliance Defense Fund, followed by a link to Religious Tolerance, a group that does their best to be objective and factual. How can presenting all sides of the issue possibly be biased?

abelcainsbrother wrote:Wrong! China is a secular country.

An orange and a cue ball are quite different, but they have roundness as a common trait.

abelcainsbrother wrote:There is another way to look at it and this is the way I look at it as a Christian and that is what we see happening is actually fulfilling bible prophecies...

Christians are a huge, diverse group and the way you see the world is not representative of Christianity as a whole.

Regarding prophecy, bah, humbug.

abelcainsbrother wrote:It is not going to be this atheist utopia atheists dream about,no their faith in atheism is going to be put to the test.Now if you have understanding then it is quite comforting to sit back and watch more of God's word be fulfilled.

You don't seem like a person who watches the news and feels comforted...

edwardmurphy wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Wrong! China is a secular country.

An orange and a cue ball are quite different, but they have roundness as a common trait.

abelcainsbrother wrote:There is another way to look at it and this is the way I look at it as a Christian and that is what we see happening is actually fulfilling bible prophecies...

Christians are a huge, diverse group and the way you see the world is not representative of Christianity as a whole.

Regarding prophecy, bah, humbug.

abelcainsbrother wrote:It is not going to be this atheist utopia atheists dream about,no their faith in atheism is going to be put to the test.Now if you have understanding then it is quite comforting to sit back and watch more of God's word be fulfilled.

You don't seem like a person who watches the news and feels comforted...

Yes,it is true that there are differences in Christianity but you're blind if you can't see signs for how the mark of the beast system can be brought about today. The technology is here to do away with money and give everybody a mark to be able to buy and sell,no matter who they are. Ignore the signs but you cannot say based on the technology of today it cannot happen and I think deep down even you see signs of a united one-world government coming and I brought up just some of the technology too like cell phones and how you are being tracked everywhere you go,but also they can turn your mic on and even camera on and record too today,they can now even control cars. You can ignore the signs but they are everywhere.Just sit back and see and remember when you see it acb told you what the bible said was going to happen.
I am comforted because I'm seeing more and more signs in these last days now physically it can be depressing because you see who's blindly helping to bring in the one world government and who is'nt or who is on the losing team and who's on the winning team politically,so to speak ,but spiritually it is just more evidence the bible is true.

Bill Gates says life would be better with a world government.
http://worldtruth.tv/bill-gates-says-li ... overnment/

Technology and the changes that it brings about can be disconcerting, no doubt, but that's always been the case. People were expecting the end of the world before Jesus was a gleam in God's eye, and no doubt they'll keep on expecting it until the world actually ends. The guy who finally lands an accurate prophesy shouldn't get cocky though - it will just be a coincidence.

Regarding a world government, nationalism is a scam, so yeah, that might be better. Then again, it might be worse. I'm not in a position to make that judgement. Either way, it's irrelevant. We're nowhere close to having it happen.

People were expecting the end of the world before Jesus was a gleam in God's eye

???!!!

Philip wrote:

People were expecting the end of the world before Jesus was a gleam in God's eye

???!!!

So much fail in that statement.

Allow me to rephrase:

Apocalyptic predictions predate Christianity.

Although they're not technically apocalyptic. Doomsday scenarios?

Anyway, I apologize for the deliberately provocative statement. My point was simple that the end of the world is predicted pretty frequently by people from all different religions and that's been happening for a long, long, long time. Consequently, many people don't take that stuff seriously, myself obviously included.

edwardmurphy wrote:Allow me to rephrase:

Apocalyptic predictions predate Christianity.

Although they're not technically apocalyptic. Doomsday scenarios?

Anyway, I apologize for the deliberately provocative statement. My point was simple that the end of the world is predicted pretty frequently by people from all different religions and that's been happening for a long, long, long time. Consequently, many people don't take that stuff seriously, myself obviously included.

Wow! You just helped prove bible prophecy is true. Let me show you 2nd Peter 3:3-4 "Knowing this first,that there shall come in the LAST DAYS scoffers,walking after their own lusts,And saying,Where is the promise of his coming?for since the fathers fell asleep(evolution)all things continue as they were from the beginning." You're just another sign we are in the last days,now this is just one sign and there are many more that you are not aware of. You and people like you are just that much more proof the bible is true and being fulfilled in these last days and this gets back to my earlier point about being comforted spiritually despite the things that are happening that can be depressing physically. You are scoffing at the idea of Christ's return believing all things have gone on continually and because our fathers died because of evolution. Them hominids are our fathers,don't ya know?

edwardmurphy wrote: Anyway, I apologize for the deliberately provocative statement.

Thank you. I just wish you had pluralized "statement".

Hortator wrote:

edwardmurphy wrote: Anyway, I apologize for the deliberately provocative statement.

Thank you. I just wish you had pluralized "statement".

I would have if I'd felt that it was appropriate to do so.

edwardmurphy wrote:Great outrage Phil, but your facts aren't factual. He wasn't fired. He was asked to stop publicly praying on the clock because doing so violates the Constitution - specific SCOTUS decisions are cited in the press release that you don't seem willing to read. He continued to pray publicly while on the clock, so they put him on administrative leave. He's still getting paid and he's welcome to come back to work if he promises to stop praying publicly while on the clock.

Also, it's hysterical that you're talking about the foam coming out of my mouth. I'm irritated that crap like this keeps happening. Meanwhile you howl with rage over a controversy that was transparently manufactured just to make you howl with rage. Are you okay with getting manipulated like this?

B.W. - Knowing your tendency to spot a sinister agenda in the most innocuous circumstances imaginable I suspect that there was more to your friend's story.

Regarding school prayer - yes, school-SPONSORED prayer was banned. Students can still pray on their own time, prayer groups can still be organized, and school employees can still participate or even run them - provided it's during non-academic time. In other words, Christians have lost the freedom to ignore the Constitutional separation of Church and State whenever it suits them to do so, but their right to worship as they see fit - on their own time - hasn't changed a bit.

Regarding Fairfax, Virginia, if history is any guide if I research your claim I'll find that either the claim is false or that there was a conflict, it was resolved, and Christians in Fairfax County are free to hold Bible Study. Maybe I'll look into it later.

Eddy - I was off line for a bit.. bit busy

Regarding friend lives on Reservation, Mrs J works for Catholic group home for battered women/sex assault. She, Mrs J is a supervisor there. Two of her staff practice Native Religion. They told her about a ceremony and they claimed she made a disgusting face that she was creating religious discrimination by making a face. Mrs J was later pulled into her bosses office with the other and asked about it. Mrs J made it clear that the face she made was over the fact these two, which they admitted to practicing regularly, eating puppy soup as part of the ceremony to have their prayers answered. That was why she made the face. Mrs J is also Native American... as staff is too.

Ed do you eat puppies? Do you find that revolting?

Today Mrs J was asked to apologize to the two puppy eaters. Her email response to her Catholic Boss was simple and too the Point:

That after considering the situation, I came to the conclusion that I cannot in good conscience apologize for what I believe in. Nor do I apologize for my belief in God and His Son Jesus Christ. Whom by the way was our sacrifice so we do not have to sacrifice innocent puppies just to our prayers answered. I will take the reprimand or whatever it is you have to do... Signed Mrs J

No agenda here Ed. She worked for a Catholic organization run by Roman Catholics. If they want puppy killing and eating folks who practice traditional Native American Pagan rituals who are out to go after this charity, they can have them. I like her response to her boss, Amen!

Do you think the cruelty to animal folks will go after those particular Native American traditional religions that demands the slaying of puppies and eating them to have prayers answers and gain power? No - I think not...

Next your comment about citing the law proves again my point that liberals make laws to use to hide their agenda - extermination of Christianity altogether. Before that law was ever made, people prayed in schools and taught faith in schools so were thy wrong doing that before the law to ban prayer?? Cross??? Christian Religious expression???

Again, what for?

Why do you hate Christianity so much?

You may have answered this some where but I am catching up and have't come across it yet...
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abelcainsbrother wrote:

edwardmurphy wrote:Allow me to rephrase:

Apocalyptic predictions predate Christianity.

Although they're not technically apocalyptic. Doomsday scenarios?

Anyway, I apologize for the deliberately provocative statement. My point was simple that the end of the world is predicted pretty frequently by people from all different religions and that's been happening for a long, long, long time. Consequently, many people don't take that stuff seriously, myself obviously included.

Wow! You just helped prove bible prophecy is true. Let me show you 2nd Peter 3:3-4 "Knowing this first,that there shall come in the LAST DAYS scoffers,walking after their own lusts,And saying,Where is the promise of his coming?for since the fathers fell asleep(evolution)all things continue as they were from the beginning." You're just another sign we are in the last days,now this is just one sign and there are many more that you are not aware of. You and people like you are just that much more proof the bible is true and being fulfilled in these last days and this gets back to my earlier point about being comforted spiritually despite the things that are happening that can be depressing physically. You are scoffing at the idea of Christ's return believing all things have gone on continually and because our fathers died because of evolution. Them hominids are our fathers,don't ya know?

I just wish that you understand that nothing can ever "defeat evolution". The gap theory can never do it because it's a belief, not science.

The only things that can prove evolution wrong are any predictions going false, a problem in the fossil record and an issue in the DNA record. And FYI, all three prove evolution without a doubt.

And these are not the last times. Christians have been saying that since Paul's time.

neo-x wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

edwardmurphy wrote:Allow me to rephrase:

Apocalyptic predictions predate Christianity.

Although they're not technically apocalyptic. Doomsday scenarios?

Anyway, I apologize for the deliberately provocative statement. My point was simple that the end of the world is predicted pretty frequently by people from all different religions and that's been happening for a long, long, long time. Consequently, many people don't take that stuff seriously, myself obviously included.

Wow! You just helped prove bible prophecy is true. Let me show you 2nd Peter 3:3-4 "Knowing this first,that there shall come in the LAST DAYS scoffers,walking after their own lusts,And saying,Where is the promise of his coming?for since the fathers fell asleep(evolution)all things continue as they were from the beginning." You're just another sign we are in the last days,now this is just one sign and there are many more that you are not aware of. You and people like you are just that much more proof the bible is true and being fulfilled in these last days and this gets back to my earlier point about being comforted spiritually despite the things that are happening that can be depressing physically. You are scoffing at the idea of Christ's return believing all things have gone on continually and because our fathers died because of evolution. Them hominids are our fathers,don't ya know?

I just wish that you understand that nothing can ever "defeat evolution". The gap theory can never do it because it's a belief, not science.

The only things that can prove evolution wrong are any predictions going false, a problem in the fossil record and an issue in the DNA record. And FYI, all three prove evolution without a doubt.

And these are not the last times. Christians have been saying that since Paul's time.

I know you think that but you let an evolutionist get up in front of a big group of people in a debate The Gap Theory vs the theory of evolution and when the evolutionists is defeated soundly it will effect evolution. Like for instance the Ken Ham vs Bill Nye debate it was young earth creationism vs Evolution and it was a tie at best,but up against a knowledgable Gap Theorist evolution is soundly defeated unlike with young earth creationism,Intelligent Design,etc. The Gap Theory is the only creation interpretation that has soundly defeated evolutionists in debates and did so in debates in Universities in the 1980's,it got to where evolutionists would not debate Gap Theorists because they lost to a much more believable theory using much of the very same evidence evolutionists use for evidence. If you think it won't effect evolution to be soundly defeated in debates then I beg to differ.Science will be forced to either demonstrate life evolves finally or it will lose popularity once people see it defeated soundly and it might lead to a revival too.

abelcainsbrother wrote:

neo-x wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

edwardmurphy wrote:Allow me to rephrase:

Apocalyptic predictions predate Christianity.

Although they're not technically apocalyptic. Doomsday scenarios?

Anyway, I apologize for the deliberately provocative statement. My point was simple that the end of the world is predicted pretty frequently by people from all different religions and that's been happening for a long, long, long time. Consequently, many people don't take that stuff seriously, myself obviously included.

Wow! You just helped prove bible prophecy is true. Let me show you 2nd Peter 3:3-4 "Knowing this first,that there shall come in the LAST DAYS scoffers,walking after their own lusts,And saying,Where is the promise of his coming?for since the fathers fell asleep(evolution)all things continue as they were from the beginning." You're just another sign we are in the last days,now this is just one sign and there are many more that you are not aware of. You and people like you are just that much more proof the bible is true and being fulfilled in these last days and this gets back to my earlier point about being comforted spiritually despite the things that are happening that can be depressing physically. You are scoffing at the idea of Christ's return believing all things have gone on continually and because our fathers died because of evolution. Them hominids are our fathers,don't ya know?

I just wish that you understand that nothing can ever "defeat evolution". The gap theory can never do it because it's a belief, not science.

The only things that can prove evolution wrong are any predictions going false, a problem in the fossil record and an issue in the DNA record. And FYI, all three prove evolution without a doubt.

And these are not the last times. Christians have been saying that since Paul's time.

I know you think that but you let an evolutionist get up in front of a big group of people in a debate The Gap Theory vs the theory of evolution and when the evolutionists is defeated soundly it will effect evolution. Like for instance the Ken Ham vs Bill Nye debate it was young earth creationism vs Evolution and it was a tie at best,but up against a knowledgable Gap Theorist evolution is soundly defeated unlike with young earth creationism,Intelligent Design,etc. The Gap Theory is the only creation interpretation that has soundly defeated evolutionists in debates and did so in debates in Universities in the 1980's. If you think it won't effect evolution to be soundly defeated in debates then I beg to differ.Science will be forced to either demonstrate life evolves finally or it will lose popularity once people see it defeated soundly and it might lead to a revival too.

I am baffled that you think it's a matter of public perception and opinion. That just shows me you really don't know what you are criticizing, although you may think you do but self-assurance is hardly relevant here. An evolutionist sounding, defeated changes nothing, the same way a YEC sounding to win, means anything.