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Re: This is our future

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:44 am
by PaulSacramento
edwardmurphy wrote:Gotcha. And the fact that paying for an education yourself is much more difficult than it was 20+ years ago, not to mention harder in the US than in Canada, is immaterial. As is the fact that our nations wealth is largely in the hands of a tiny minority, the middle class is getting squeezed, and the American dream is dying. None of that is contextually significant. All that matters is that those 18-year-olds take personal responsibility.
Yes, education is more expensive now than 20 years ago.
Yes, while salaries have increased over that period, the ratio has widened.
That said, you still CAN pay for education yourself even with a minimum wage job ( here in Ontario minimum wage is over 11 dollars an hour, the highest it has ever been).
Ontario has the highest tuition fees, average of 7,539.00 per year.
A minimum wage job pays you: 23,400.00 per year.
It can be done.
I did, most of my friends did it.
Sure we stayed at home and did no stay on campus and sure we worked and studied instead of partying on campus and sure some of us took a couple of years longer to finish BUT we finished with no debt AND had work experience.

Again, the issue is simply this:

No one is entitled to a post secondary education, you have to work hard for it ( either be actual working or working hard for a scholarship).
The cost of education SHOULD fall on those that choose to pursue it and on no one else.

University education isn't what it's cracked up to be anyways nowadays, a good trade will take you further in many cases.

Re: This is our future

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:46 am
by B. W.
edwardmurphy wrote:Gotcha. And the fact that paying for an education yourself is much more difficult than it was 20+ years ago, not to mention harder in the US than in Canada, is immaterial. As is the fact that our nations wealth is largely in the hands of a tiny minority, the middle class is getting squeezed, and the American dream is dying. None of that is contextually significant. All that matters is that those 18-year-olds take personal responsibility.

A 2013 Pew Research study of U.S. Census Bureau data found simply that the rich got richer and the poor got poorer during the Obama's reign..
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all

Under Obamanomics, the Rich Get Richer While the Poor Get Poorer
http://www.progressivestoday.com/under- ... et-poorer/

Been known for years that Progressive Liberalism tax schemes cause business to flee the USA and stash cash oveseas...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherp ... ax-system/

More and more major businesses/corporations are heading out of the USA and setting up factories and shop overseas due to the anti-rich propaganda and policies of the left.

This reduces tax rates. Obama care forced coercion of collecting taxes helped make up for some of the loss but it cannot be sustained.

Under progressive liberal tax propaganda and schemes, the rich get richer and poor get poorer, that is a fact. Meanwhile companies that support progressives seek to corner the markets for profit and that is okay.

While this is happening they blame opponents for all the ills they created.

I saw this under Carter. The fruit Carter left American just after 4 years took Reagan 8 years to undue as He took all the blame for the long term effects of Carter'e economics. However, Obama, will have 8 years and the true nature of progressive liberalism will be revealed the hard way: they are the Hoods and no jolly Robin's as they take from the poor/middle class, make them feel good about the shaft given and they and their cronies get wealthier and richer...

Now as for 18 year old who have been indoctrinated by progressive school system - them taking responsibility is sadly laughable. Years of anti-God learning, moral retaliativism, Political correctness, the law of being offended trumps all laws, you're special so you cannot fail, others owe you, display intolerant tolerance, etc and etc has taken its toll on so many 18 year olds that I doubt many will take any responsibility for their actions. Why should they - their wonderful superior progressive education teaches them there is no need, no reason...

Thankfully, few will take responsibility but they will be a persecuted minority in a land of entitlement groupies...

However, an elimination of the progressive tax code in the USA and reducing taxes would increase revenues. That takes responsibility but responsibility is the N word of the left...as it destroys the progressive company store model that their donors seek.
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