"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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In a way you are correct...Storyteller wrote:I may look silly posting this but I always interpreted that verse in Revelation as being about our physical, bodily self. Which always kinda got me because I'd like some memory of this. Life I mean.
I always saw it, actually do see it like that.
Just an idea.
Dare I ask for thoughts?
But how does the Revelation statement that there will be no more death fit with Isaiah saying people will just live a lot longer? Revelation seems to be talking about after the resurrection when we have glorified bodies, whereas the Isaiah verses sound more like an improved version of life on earth - animals won't eat other animals but there will still be death.DBowling wrote:I think comparing Isaiah 65:17-25 with Revelation 21:1-7 can provide some insight into what Isaiah was saying.Nicki wrote:Bump! For Jac or anyone, what do you think those verses are talking about?
Isaiah 65:17-25Revelation 21:1-7New Heavens and a New Earth
17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I will create,
for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight
and its people a joy.
19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
23 They will not labor in vain,
nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the Lord,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.Revelation 21-22 describes the eternal state that has always been the final goal of God's creation. I believe Eden gave mankind and Creation a localized preview of what God's final plan for Creation and mankind looks like. Unfortunately man sinned, and God's redemption of his image bearers took precedence. That is why creation is groaning (Romans 8:19-25). Creation is waiting for God to complete the redemption of mankind so Creation can become complete and 'perfect' (not just 'good') when heaven and earth come together and God dwells forever with mankind in the new heaven/new earth.A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.
In Christ
No it does not matter... how old the matter is when matter first came to beStoryteller wrote:This may be a silly question, or so blindingly obvious that I have missed it, but what evidence in the bible points to the age of the universe, and does it really matter?
I don't see the concepts of extended life and no more death as mutually exclusive. My understanding is that John provides additional understanding to Isaiah's new heaven/new earth prophecy. I think Isaiah's prophecy demonstrates that he might not have received revelation that death would be abolished in the new heaven/new earth so his description was limited to extended life imagery.Nicki wrote: But how does the Revelation statement that there will be no more death fit with Isaiah saying people will just live a lot longer? Revelation seems to be talking about after the resurrection when we have glorified bodies, whereas the Isaiah verses sound more like an improved version of life on earth - animals won't eat other animals but there will still be death.
B. W. wrote:No it does not matter... how old the matter is when matter first came to beStoryteller wrote:This may be a silly question, or so blindingly obvious that I have missed it, but what evidence in the bible points to the age of the universe, and does it really matter?
However. I think it is merely for ego sake alone that makes matters worse.
Question: according to God's timelessness clock, how long would be a matter of minutes be?
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