Evidence for God from Science

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Well,well well, what did I just find? Evidence Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. Take Infowars's challenge and prove it is not.

Alex Jones is a serial liar and one of the significant distributors of 'fake news'. He has been a proponent of the birther lie in the past, and evidently he is still perpetuating that lie.

Infowar's biggest challenge is its 'war' against the truth.

What rubbish. Alex was one of the first out there to become what is now known as the Independent Media, without him there would be a heck of a lot more less independent media out there. He inspired a lot of independent journalists. Without them all we would have is the mainstream media lies and leftist propaganda. Alex is a libertarian.

What exactly has he lied about?

Stu wrote:

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Well,well well, what did I just find? Evidence Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. Take Infowars's challenge and prove it is not.

Alex Jones is a serial liar and one of the significant distributors of 'fake news'. He has been a proponent of the birther lie in the past, and evidently he is still perpetuating that lie.

Infowar's biggest challenge is its 'war' against the truth.

What rubbish. Alex was one of the first out there to become what is now known as the Independent Media, without him there would be a heck of a lot more less independent media out there. He inspired a lot of independent journalists. Without them all we would have is the mainstream media lies and leftist propaganda. Alex is a libertarian.

What exactly has he lied about?

123 Alex Jones Lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7t0fqD83TI

The latest revelations didn't come from Alex Jones, but someone who in their own words voted for Obama twice and desired to affirm and put to rest the issue with the authenticity of the birth certificate.

K: I believe it is a fake, the evidence is quite convincing.

And so, HOW, specifically, is it convincing?

DBowling wrote:

Stu wrote:

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Well,well well, what did I just find? Evidence Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. Take Infowars's challenge and prove it is not.

Alex Jones is a serial liar and one of the significant distributors of 'fake news'. He has been a proponent of the birther lie in the past, and evidently he is still perpetuating that lie.

Infowar's biggest challenge is its 'war' against the truth.

What rubbish. Alex was one of the first out there to become what is now known as the Independent Media, without him there would be a heck of a lot more less independent media out there. He inspired a lot of independent journalists. Without them all we would have is the mainstream media lies and leftist propaganda. Alex is a libertarian.

What exactly has he lied about?

123 Alex Jones Lies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7t0fqD83TI

LOL yeah Alex has said a few off the cuff things over the years. I got about 5 minutes into that list, and I would say half one third was in fact true and not false as they claim.

Now if you take Alex's articles he has written or his films that he has produced then they are spot on.

I'm curious, do you believe that there is a New World Order?

Philip wrote:

K: I believe it is a fake, the evidence is quite convincing.

And so, HOW, specifically, is it convincing?

If you use a document as a source, your base copy that you then make changes to... the differences you place on top (each letter or number perhaps copied and pasted too from different sources) collectively may look more legitimate and authentic. Until you discover the source document/s. Then every subtle dot on the original source acts as a signature to the original, and the "photoshopping" to edit in Obama's details, well, they're simply redactions to someone elses' birth certificate. That is, what I understand, has happened. If so, it's quite damning that Obama's certificate has been forged.

Jac,

You make some valid points, but you're still not invited to my birthday party.

Sincerely,

Ed

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:Well,well well, what did I just find? Evidence Obama's birth certificate is a forgery. Take Infowars's challenge and prove it is not.

Alex Jones is a serial liar and one of the significant distributors of 'fake news'. He has been a proponent of the birther lie in the past, and evidently he is still perpetuating that lie.

Infowar's biggest challenge is its 'war' against the truth.

When you were believing them false polls believing Hillary was far ahead and Trump was gonna lose by a lot. Alex Jones over and over explained and showed why the polls were wrong,he showed that they were oversampling Democrats in the polls by 5,10 even 15 points in order to make you believe Hillary was far ahead and Trump had no chance to win. Not even Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity pointed this out and they never made predictions about who would win like Alex Jones did.

They believed the polls,but not Alex Jones and he was proven correct. We would not even know about election fraud and vote fraud if it wasn't for Alex Jones too,he is the only one who reported on it during the election and he even showed where even the liberal media has reported on election fraud also,and how voting machines can be altered,yet all throughout the election the media played dumb and called Alex Jones a conspiracy theorist,when they themselves have shown it can happen and it did happen in this election also. Both election fraud and voter fraud,they used to try to steal it away from Trump,but just like Alex Jones and election fraud experts pointed out only a landslide win can defeat election fraud because they can only manipulate the numbers in the voting machines so much or it will be obvious that something is wrong. Alex Jones was right and everybody else especially the MSM were pushing " fake news" or ignoring it.

Alex Jones's credibility goes up bigtime after this election because of how right he was and now he has been proven right about birtherism too,although it cannot be proven at this point whether or not Obama was born in America or not,it can and has been proven Obama's birth certificate is a forged document and the fact the MSM is ignoring it and doesn't want to report on it does not mean it is a conspracy theory. They are the ones who have no credibility after this election which is why hardly nobody believes their conspiracy theory that Russia hacked us and helped Trump win. Even if some big Trump scandal happened? Nobody would believe them.Prove Infowars wrong because just because you don't believe it,doesn't mean you're right.

abelcainsbrother wrote:
When you were believing them false polls believing Hillary was far ahead and Trump was gonna lose by a lot.

Ok... lets take another look at these polls that were allegedly horribly wrong.

The final RCP Average of polls was:
Clinton 46.8
Trump 43.6
With a 3.2 percent spread for Clinton

The Final Popular Vote was
Clinton 48.2
Trump 46.1
With a 2.1 percent spread for Clinton.

The RCP Average spread for Clinton was within 1.1 percent of the actual spread for Clinton in the popular vote.
That's pretty accurate.
The popular vote polls were right.

What the polls missed was what was going on in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan and how that would affect the Electoral College.
But the mantra that the polls were way off is just another piece of misinformation.

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:
When you were believing them false polls believing Hillary was far ahead and Trump was gonna lose by a lot.

Ok... lets take another look at these polls that were allegedly horribly wrong.

The final RCP Average of polls was:
Clinton 46.8
Trump 43.6
With a 3.2 percent spread for Clinton

The Final Popular Vote was
Clinton 48.2
Trump 46.1
With a 2.1 percent spread for Clinton.

The RCP Average spread for Clinton was within 1.1 percent of the actual spread for Clinton in the popular vote.
That's pretty accurate.
The popular vote polls were right.

What the polls missed was what was going on in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan and how that would affect the Electoral College.
But the mantra that the polls were way off is just another piece of misinformation.

Alex Jones showed they were oversampling Democrats in their polls though and all you had to do was read their internal explanations for their polls. They all said Hillary would win,Alex Jones knew Trump would win. Their credibility is shot. Why do you try to defend people who were wrong?

abelcainsbrother wrote:

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:
When you were believing them false polls believing Hillary was far ahead and Trump was gonna lose by a lot.

Ok... lets take another look at these polls that were allegedly horribly wrong.

The final RCP Average of polls was:
Clinton 46.8
Trump 43.6
With a 3.2 percent spread for Clinton

The Final Popular Vote was
Clinton 48.2
Trump 46.1
With a 2.1 percent spread for Clinton.

The RCP Average spread for Clinton was within 1.1 percent of the actual spread for Clinton in the popular vote.
That's pretty accurate.
The popular vote polls were right.

What the polls missed was what was going on in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan and how that would affect the Electoral College.
But the mantra that the polls were way off is just another piece of misinformation.

Alex Jones showed they were oversampling Democrats in their polls though and all you had to do was read their internal explanations for their polls. They all said Hillary would win,Alex Jones knew Trump would win. Their credibility is shot. Why do you try to defend people who were wrong?

Alex Jones was wrong about the polling as the accuracy of the RCP Average to the Popular Vote demonstrates.
Data is data.

Hillary did win the popular vote by a spread that was within 1.1 percent of the final RCP Average spread.
When we are talking about the accuracy of the polling the data says the popular vote was what the polls said it would be.

Yes Trump won the election, so congrats to those who predicted that he would win.
But that doesn't mean the polling was drastically wrong.

Alex was right when he predicted that Trump would win.
Alex was wrong when he asserted that the polling data was off.

I'm not trying to defend anyone.
I'm simply stating the fact that Alex Jones is a serial liar and that Infowars is a noncredible source of information.

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote:
When you were believing them false polls believing Hillary was far ahead and Trump was gonna lose by a lot.

Ok... lets take another look at these polls that were allegedly horribly wrong.

The final RCP Average of polls was:
Clinton 46.8
Trump 43.6
With a 3.2 percent spread for Clinton

The Final Popular Vote was
Clinton 48.2
Trump 46.1
With a 2.1 percent spread for Clinton.

The RCP Average spread for Clinton was within 1.1 percent of the actual spread for Clinton in the popular vote.
That's pretty accurate.
The popular vote polls were right.

What the polls missed was what was going on in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan and how that would affect the Electoral College.
But the mantra that the polls were way off is just another piece of misinformation.

Alex Jones showed they were oversampling Democrats in their polls though and all you had to do was read their internal explanations for their polls. They all said Hillary would win,Alex Jones knew Trump would win. Their credibility is shot. Why do you try to defend people who were wrong?

Alex Jones was wrong about the polling as the accuracy of the RCP Average to the Popular Vote demonstrates.
Data is data.

Hillary did win the popular vote by a spread that was within 1.1 percent of the final RCP Average spread.
When we are talking about the accuracy of the polling the data says the popular vote was what the polls said it would be.

Yes Trump won the election, so congrats to those who predicted that he would win.
But that doesn't mean the polling was drastically wrong.

Alex was right when he predicted that Trump would win.
Alex was wrong when he asserted that the polling data was off.

I'm not trying to defend anyone.
I'm simply stating the fact that Alex Jones is a serial liar and that Infowars is a noncredible source of information.

Well go on and keep trusting the people that were wrong. But most do not trust them.Alex Jones was not wrong when he showed how the polls were wrong. You thought Hillary would win and based on the polling data and were wrong. There is nothing wrong with being wrong,but we should learn from it. I did not totally trust Alex Jones either when he was showing why the polls were wrong,but now he has more credibility.

But you're also ignoring how he also was right about them trying to steal this election away from Trump and give it to Hillary and how he was right. But now you harp on the popular vote implying the polls were right. What you don't understand is fake polls are a warning and a sign that there is going to be election fraud. They oversample the polls showing Hillary will win and this is to cover the election fraud. Alex Jones explained all of this. But now you imply the polls were not that far off while overlooking election and vote fraud. I know it is another issue being ignored right now,but just like Obama's forged birth certificate the truth is gonna come out and Alex Jones will be proven right again,I predict. This is serious stuff too that people are ignoring all because they see it as a conspiracy theory. Election integrity is important.

abelcainsbrother wrote: Well go on and keep trusting the people that were wrong. But most do not trust them.Alex Jones was not wrong when he showed how the polls were wrong.

Sure he was... Comparing the RCP Average with the actual popular vote provides hard proof with hard data that his claims about the polls were wrong.

You thought Hillary would win and based on the polling data and were wrong.

I was wrong because I (incorrectly) believed the Electoral Vote would follow the popular vote... It didn't.
The polling data was right... Hillary won the popular vote just like the polling data said she would.

I did not totally trust Alex Jones either when he was showing why the polls were wrong,but now he has more credibility.

The problem with your assertion is the actual data shows that Alex was wrong about the polling data... just like he's been wrong about so many other things. His false assertions about the polling data just reinforce his total lack of credibility.

What you don't understand is fake polls are a warning and a sign that there is going to be election fraud.

And there is another false assertion that was perpetuated by Alex Jones and the Trump campaign. There is no evidence of any widespread fraud in this last election, but we have still heard that lie repeated from Alex and even Trump himself.

I know it is another issue being ignored right now,but just like Obama's forged birth certificate the truth is gonna come out and Alex Jones will be proven right again,I predict.

The truth has already come out on that... Many times. The birther lie is just that... a lie.
And those who continue to perpetuate that lie... are liars.
At least Trump had the good sense to finally back off on the birther lie.

DBowling wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote: Well go on and keep trusting the people that were wrong. But most do not trust them.Alex Jones was not wrong when he showed how the polls were wrong.

Sure he was... Comparing the RCP Average with the actual popular vote provides hard proof with hard data that his claims about the polls were wrong.

You thought Hillary would win and based on the polling data and were wrong.

I was wrong because I (incorrectly) believed the Electoral Vote would follow the popular vote... It didn't.
The polling data was right... Hillary won the popular vote just like the polling data said she would.

I did not totally trust Alex Jones either when he was showing why the polls were wrong,but now he has more credibility.

The problem with your assertion is the actual data shows that Alex was wrong about the polling data... just like he's been wrong about so many other things. His false assertions about the polling data just reinforce his total lack of credibility.

What you don't understand is fake polls are a warning and a sign that there is going to be election fraud.

And there is another false assertion that was perpetuated by Alex Jones and the Trump campaign. There is no evidence of any widespread fraud in this last election, but we have still heard that lie repeated from Alex and even Trump himself.

I know it is another issue being ignored right now,but just like Obama's forged birth certificate the truth is gonna come out and Alex Jones will be proven right again,I predict.

The truth has already come out on that... Many times. The birther lie is just that... a lie.
And those who continue to perpetuate that lie... are liars.
At least Trump had the good sense to finally back off on the birther lie.

No the liars were the MSM and their polls and political analysis. Alex Jones was right. And Obama's birth certificate is a forged document,therefore you cannot know where Obama was born,nobody knows.

abelcainsbrother wrote:No the liars were the MSM and their polls and political analysis. Alex Jones was right. And Obama's birth certificate is a forged document,therefore you cannot know where Obama was born,nobody knows.

And no amount of evidence will ever convince you otherwise. Tragically you, and millions like you, can vote.