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Re: Trump vs "The Media"

Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:48 am
by Philip
Ed: it's crystal clear that Russia worked to undercut Clinton and boost Trump. There's room to debate how much Russia impacted the election, why they chose Trump, and whether or not the Trump campaign was deliberately complicit, but it's clear that Russia interfered.
That shouldn't surprise anyone. But the early accusations were that Trump and Co. were in bed with the Russians - and now, with the challenges Trump has laid down before the Russians, the spiraling of relationship - clearly that wasn't true. In fact, the Russians, if they had proof of such, could merely release it - to discredit Trump.
Ed: And as an added bonus to Russia, the rest of us knowing that they backed Trump hurts his legitimacy and ensures that the partisan divide gets worse.
So, the Russians - who we know are dirty tricksters who have all sorts of nefarious motivations - because of something they have done, it discredits Trump? Evil doers who can't be trusted for anything else, and you believe ANYTHING they do shows some sort of truth?

The Washington Times: During the final five weeks of the presidential campaign, WikiLeaks released tens of thousands of DNC and Clinton campaign emails to the public. WikiLeaks denies that its source was the Russian government, yet for the purposes of the DNC and Clinton campaign claims, that is irrelevant because whoever accessed these emails did not alter the operational systems of any of the targets; the accessor just exposed what was found.

And that's it, isn't it? The INFORMATION released wasn't altered, it was LEAKED. And so, what was leaked accurately gave the public a lot more information confirming just how corrupt Hillary and the DNC is. The leaks may have put the exclamation on the thought process of Americans already extremely upset over Democrat policies, Obama, etc., but the anger and resentment were already there. And the leaks merely helped to confirm it. Yes, let's blame the Russians for exposing dirty trickster stuff - when the REAL issue is the dirty stuff Hillary, Obama, the DNC, etc. were doing - NOT who exposed it. As usual, the media hyper-focuses upon one issue, while ignoring the far more important one (smoke and mirrors of denial). Yes, accessing and leaking classified or secret info is very bad. But what was exposed showed even greater treachery. Let's not forget, that bonehead Hillary used a private, very exposed server to place countless classified info. Let's also not forget, that the DNC's dirty laundry was ALSO due to a lack of adequate security protocols.

So, all of these (Hillary, the DNC) allowed themselves and their inner dealings to be exposed. But it's WHAT they exposed that showed their true colors, tactics and many things that most Americans, moderate to conservative, really despise - in addition to where their policies had been leading us - slowly killing us economically and our international and domestic security. So, just bury your head in the sand and the curse the Russians! Liberals and progressives really need a reality check as to the real problems here: It's policies and tactics of the Democrats. They need to finally realize what they have been long been doing has finally buried them. So, now they are extremely desperate. Their solution? They have doubled down and tracked further left - pandering to pockets of the country so out of touch with the rest of the country, that they will only further marginalize the Democrats. They have failed to realize the problem isn't that Democrats didn't adequately explain their ideas, solutions and what they are all about. The problem is that the public across the heartland, and even in places more liberal, have awakened and realized that the policies of Democrats have terribly hurt this country - and, so now, the Democrats, particularly the more liberal and progressive ones, are increasingly being taken down. It's not going to get better for them.

Re: Trump vs "The Media"

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:59 pm
by bippy123
whitegardenia1955 wrote:
bippy123 wrote:
whitegardenia1955 wrote:
bippy123 wrote:Tritto on that I just wished it were someone other then a corporate Ceo type . I voted for neither as I'm a little from each side .

I'm
1000000000% pro life (going to a pro life rally close to the border next month)
Which is generally what the republic can party supports , but I don't trust that trump is really pro life . And Bernie sanders supports all stage abortions so how can any Christian an vote for him .

I'm for social Justice which traditionally the dems have supported (Hillary was a Wall Street
stooge )

Why can't we have a candidate that is really for the people and has a moral barometer :(

I agree...I supported Bobby Jindal and Ted Cruz in the primaries..... My number one concern is the fact that Trump says he has never asked God for forgiveness...( at a Frank Luntz focus group during the GOP primaries)...my second concern is the very alarming rise of atheist interest groups within the Conservative Movement. Specifically I'm thinking about avowed atheist Richard Spencer who coined the term "Alt-Right" Most of these Alt-Righers seem to support TRump because they perceive him as being an advocate for secularism....and number three is TRump's own history of immorality, including the secretly recorded Access Hollywood footage ("grab them by the BLANK") as well as the fact that he has appeared in several porno films and even bragged about committing adultery in a book he wrote called "Art of the Comeback" Having said all that, Trump's faith is between him and God...Trump could end up being a great President. In fact I am very encouraged by his relationship with Peter Thiel, who is one of the most brilliant minds of our time. My concerns with Trump are more in relation the secular atheist Alt- Right and how they might influence him...
Spencer is an atheist ? Wow it makes sense that they would pick a guy who would say anything for power .

I like Bobby jindal as one if the politicians who also supports intelligent design

yeah i love bobby jindal....wish he was president right now

I liked jindal also as he's a strong id guy and really is a pro life advocate unlike trump who flip flops when it suits him