Re: Cult signs (Unitarians, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses inclu
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:16 pm
I was a little torn on the Mormon thing but Mike's evil laugh has confirmed their demonic nature for me.
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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You should read the entire thread line by line- do you good...1stjohn0666 wrote:Beliefs will differ all across the world, does that mean the nice Christian thing will happen? "Believe the way I do or your going to hell" "the "true church" has not been established yet. Christ has not returned to do that job yet. Jw's have as much right to the kingdom as anyone else. God is the judge of who gets to enter, not us to judge "for" God because beliefs differ.
The "true church" has not been established - are you kidding ??1stjohn0666 wrote:Beliefs will differ all across the world, does that mean the nice Christian thing will happen? "Believe the way I do or your going to hell" "the "true church" has not been established yet. Christ has not returned to do that job yet. Jw's have as much right to the kingdom as anyone else. God is the judge of who gets to enter, not us to judge "for" God because beliefs differ.
I take it you are a Christadelphian. That is someone who teaches a different kind of Jesus than what the bible teaches a false gospel. The bible tells us to beware of false brethren as you do not believe in the biblical Jesus. You need to be honest with the people here of this forum and correctly identify yourself. That way people can actually have an honest dialogue with you.1stjohn0666 wrote:Not kidding, in Rev Jesus will call his people out of the churches of today a.k.a. Babylon. He "calls us out" is what "true church" is. Name the denomination that is so righteous, without error, so holy, so true, ....etc. I think there just is not one established like the one we will be married into. The kingdom. Now that is the true church.
What do the Christadelphians Teach?
Quote From: http://carm.org/christadelphianism
by Matt Slick
Though they acknowledge many truths found in the Bible, they deny many others.
1. They believe the Bible is the infallible and inerrant word of God. (The Christadelphians: What They Believe and Preach, p. 82)
2. They teach there is only one God. (Isaiah 43-45)
3. They teach that Jesus had a sin nature (What They Believe, p. 74)
4. They teach that Jesus needed to save himself, before he could save us. (Christadelphian Answers, p. 24)
5. They teach that Jesus will return and set up his kingdom on earth. (What They Believe , p. 268)
6. They believe that there has been an apostasy and that Christianity is a false religious system. (A tract titled “Christendom Astray Since the Apostolic Age, Detroit Christadelphian Book Supply)
7. They believe annihilation of the wicked. (What They Believe, p. 187).
8. They believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. (What They Believe , p. 71,72, 207-210)
9. They believe that it is possible to lose one’s salvation. (What They Believe , p. 212)
10. They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. (What They Believe, p. 84-87)
11. They deny that Jesus is God in flesh. (Answers, p. 22)
12. They deny that Jesus existed prior to his incarnation. (What They Believe , p. 85,86)
13. They deny the personhood and deity of the Holy Spirit. (What They Believe , p. 115)
14. They deny the substitutionary atonement of Christ. (Answers, p. 25; What They Believe, p. 71)
15. They deny salvation by grace through faith alone. (What they Believe, p. 204)
16. They deny immortality of the soul. (What They Believe , p. 17).
17. They deny that a person exists after death. (What They Believe, p. 17)
18. They deny the existence of hell and eternal punishment. (What They Believe, p. 188-189)
19. They deny the existence of the fallen angel Lucifer as the devil. (Answers, p. 100)
As you can see, the Christadelphians deny some essential doctrines of Christianity; namely, the deity of Jesus and salvation by grace.
Like so many other cult groups that claim to be the restored truth, they have their own interpretations of the Bible that deviate greatly from orthodox Christianity.
Is Christadelphianism Christian?
Quote From
http://carm.org/religious-movements/chr ... -christian
by Matt Slick
No, Christadelphianism is not Christian. Like all cults, Christadelphianism denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity: Jesus is God, the physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. In this case, it is the deity of Christ and salvation by grace through faith that are the problems with this group.
In regards to Jesus, it teaches that....
•Jesus had a sinful nature (The Christadelphians, What They Believe, by Harry Tennant, The Christadelphian, England, p. 74 - this is a Christadelphian book.)
•Jesus needed salvation, (Christadelphian Answers, ed. by Frank G. Jannaway, The Herald Press, p. 25 - another Christadelphian book).
•Jesus is not God in flesh (Answers, p. 22).
•That Jesus' atonement was not substitutionary (Answers, p. 25; What They Believe, p. 71).
•Baptism is necessary for salvation (What They Believe, p. 71,72, 207-210)
Of primary importance is what the Christadelphians say about Jesus. They deny He is divine in nature. According to John 1:1,14, John 8:58 (with Exodus 3:14), and Col. 2:9, Jesus is God.
•"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth," (John 1:1,14).
•Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am,"(John 8:58). With, "And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me to you," (Exodus 3:14).
•"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9).
Furthermore, Jesus said in John 8:24, "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins." Also, John the Apostle said in 1 John 4:2-4, "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." You can see that denying that Jesus has come in the flesh (that He is God in flesh per John 1:1,14), is the spirit of antichrist.
Since we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1; Eph. 2:8-9), it is crucial to have the proper object of faith. All Satan has to do is to get someone to believe in a false Jesus and the person is lost (Matt. 24:24). A false Jesus cannot save and only the true Jesus reveals the true God (John 14:6; Luke 10:22; John 17:3). Since Jesus is actually God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8), it follows that those who deny His divine nature -- and ascribe a sinful one to Him as the Christadelphians do -- cannot have the true Jesus and are, therefore, serving a false God.
Second, the Christadelphians deny the substitutionary atonement of Jesus. They say that He did not take our place on the cross and that He did not bear our sins. This is in direct contradiction to Scripture. 1 Pet. 2:24 says, "He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed." Instead, they teach a kind of representation that was not effective to remove sin and say, "Christ did not die as our substitute, but as our representative," (Answers, p. 25).
Additionally, in Answers, page 24, it says, "But it is equally true that, being 'made sin for us' (2 Cor. 5:21), he himself required a sin offering..." In other words, they are saying that Jesus Himself also needed to be saved. This is absolutely unbiblical and heretical and needs to be labeled for what it is: false doctrine. Jesus was without sin (1 Pet. 2:22), the exact representation of the nature of God (Heb. 1:3). Since God is sinless and Holy, so is Jesus in nature and essence.
Furthermore, the Christadelphians, by having a Jesus who has a sin nature, cannot have a proper sacrifice by which their sins have an atonement. According to the Old Testament, the sacrifice for sins had to be without blemish (Deut. 17:1). Having a sin nature would be a definite blemish which would invalidate the sacrifice.
Third, the Christadelphians add a work to salvation. They say that baptism is part of the saving process. But, baptism is not necessary for salvation. Instead, it is a representation of the inward reality of regeneration (1 Pet. 3:21), a covenant sign of God's work upon the heart (Col. 2:11-12). Gal. 5:1-12 speaks of the grave error of some people who thought that they needed to partake in some part of the Law (circumcision) to be saved. Paul quickly denounced them with very strong words (Gal. 5:12).
Additionally, Rom. 5:1 says that we are justified by faith, not by faith and baptism. Rom. 3:28 says we are saved not by the works of the Law; that is, not by anything that we do. Since our righteous deeds are filthy rags before God (Isaiah 64:6), we must completely rely upon the grace of God for our salvation -- which is by faith in Jesus who is God, the creator, in flesh.
The Christadelphian religion is a false religion. It is definitely not Christian. This is not to say that there are not decent people who intend to serve God honestly and truthfully. But sincerity does not bridge the gap between God and man. Only the blood of the real Jesus does that, not a false Christ with a sin nature who himself needed salvation.
You hold the Christadelphian view on all points they do, therefore, I class you as a Christadelphian with a bent toward 666 anarchy.1stjohn0666 wrote: Christawhatever it was. Some I do agree with like that of going to heaven immediately after death. But most I do not agree with.
Let's see what you agree with so far in from you prior postings...it is evident that you believe and agree with the following numbers...from the article...1stjohn0666 wrote:Answers for B.W.
AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE I AM NOT "ONE OF THOSE"