Evidence for God from Science

Jabba wrote:Bippy,
- The overall process of the carbon dating on the Shroud -- both leading up to the dating, and the dating itself -- is full of "issues" (questionable decisions and activities). Do you know of a recent summary of these different issues?
--- Jabba

Jabba yes, I'm sure one of my older posts here has a summary of it all. There was a post also on shroud.com that posts this summary. Ill see if I can find it again.
Bippy

Jabba wrote:Bippy,
- The overall process of the carbon dating on the Shroud -- both leading up to the dating, and the dating itself -- is full of "issues" (questionable decisions and activities). Do you know of a recent summary of these different issues?
--- Jabba

Ok Jabba here is one of the PDF files I found about this

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/marinelliv.pdf

There is another one that I'm trying to find which compresses it into a shorter list

Ill be in and out of sleep as I have a bad flu.

Update: here is another http://members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/qu ... c0710.html
But this isn't the one Im really looking for

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/addendum.pdf

This should do the trick Jabba.
Let me know if this helps

Here, in this podcast, Gary Habermas discusses his views of the Shroud in considerable detail. Not sure of the date, but it's post-2004. Extremely fascinating!

http://www.strcast2.org/podcast/weekly/022011.mp3

Don't know if Bip had already posted it or not.

He also discusses recently brought up issues (on this forum), like the supposed idolatry of the Shroud.

Check out his website: garyhabermas.com

Philip wrote:Here, in this podcast, Gary Habermas discusses his views of the Shroud in considerable detail. Not sure of the date, but it's post-2004. Extremely fascinating!

http://www.strcast2.org/podcast/weekly/022011.mp3

Don't know if Bip had already posted it or not.

He also discusses recently brought up issues (on this forum) like idolatry of an artifact.

Check out his website: garyhabermas.com

Philip good find, I don't think I posted that on this thread.
I listened to this 2 years ago.
Remember also that this podcast was probably done before ray Rogers peer review research was published invalidating the 1988 c14 dating tests.

I believe Habermas's confidence in the shroud is even stronger these days

Bip, actually, I believe he references both Rogers and the invalidating indications concerning the C14 tests. Rogers was deceased when this was made.

Philip wrote:Bip, actually, I believe he references both Rogers and the invalidating indications concerning the C14 tests. Rogers was deceased when this was made.

Ah cool Philip, thanks for the info

Jabba, here is another shroud timeline link.

http://shroud2000.com/FastFacts.html.

Looks like the shroud will actually be shown in a television only exhibition march 30th of this month.
It should be picked up on other television networks as well

http://www.shroud.com/latebrak.htm


BREAKING NEWS!
Pope Authorizes Television Exhibition of Shroud on March 30, 2013

It was announced this morning that Pope Benedict XVI, as one of his last acts as Pontiff, has authorized a television only exhibition of the Shroud of Turin on March 30, 2013 (Holy Saturday) directly from the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist where the cloth is permanently stored. Here is an excerpt from an e-mail I received this morning from my friend Bruno Barberis, President of the International Center for the Study of the Shroud (Centro Internazionale di Sindonologia) in Turin with the details:

I would like to give you in advance an important piece of news. On March 30th (Holy Saturday) in the late afternoon (Italian time) in the Turin Cathedral there will be a TV exposition of the Holy Shroud. The exposition will be broadcast by the RAI Uno television network. This event, connected with the "Year of Faith," will happen 40 years after the first and unique TV exposition of the Shroud on November 23rd, 1973. The Shroud will remain in its room in the Cathedral and the length of the exposition will be around one hour. On March 1st in Turin at 11.00am a press conference will be held regarding this special exposition.

It is likely that footage from this exposition will be picked up and shown by other television broadcast networks around the world and on the internet. I will do my best to keep you updated as more details become available. In the interim, you can also check our Facebook page, where I can quickly post any news that may come in while I am traveling and lecturing.

For more information on the unprecedented occasion of this first "technological" exhibition of the Shroud, check out the news page (in English) of the Collegamento pro Sindone website by Emanuela Marinelli. The page includes more details on Pope Benedict's decision to display the Shroud and a message from Msgr. Cesare Nosiglia, the current Archbishop of Turin. As always, our deepest thanks to Emanuela for making this information available so quickly. Grazie!

Posted and Updated February 27, 2013

- Thanks, guys.
- I'm "familiar" with most of those, but not all. And being familiar with them doesn't mean that I remember where it was that I found the summaries they include.
- Looks like I have my work cut out for me.
--- Jabba

Welcome Jabba
You got guys, I respect that
If you need any more info just ask
Bippy

Hey everyone, I recently found a really good video presentation on the Shroud. You can see it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTE4tCweMmw

DRDS wrote:Hey everyone, I recently found a really good video presentation on the Shroud. You can see it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTE4tCweMmw

Excellent video bro, I haven't seen this one. It also shows the multiple points of congruence between the shroud and Christ pantocrator among other things.

Great new awesome Shroud interview videos done by Barrie Schwortz!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD9ckfLf6tI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwm_GbD3O5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HfkDgyNDU

More good Shroud news

Professor Giulio Fanti and journalist Saverio Gaeta have published a book with the results of some chemical and mechanical tests which confirm that the Shroud dates back to the 1st century
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New scientific experiments carried out at the University of Padua have apparently confirmed that the Shroud Turin can be dated back to the 1st century AD. This makes its compatible with the tradition which claims that the cloth with the image of the crucified man imprinted on it is the very one Jesus’ body was wrapped in when he was taken off the cross. The news will be published in a book by Giulio Fanti, professor of mechanical and thermal measurement at the University of Padua’s Engineering Faculty, and journalist Saverio Gaeta, out tomorrow. “Il Mistero della Sindone” (The Mystery of the Shroud) is edited by Rizzoli (240 pp, 18 Euro).


What’s new about this book are Fanti’s recent findings, which are also about to be published in a specialist magazine and assessed by a scientific committee. The research includes three new tests, two chemical ones and one mechanical one. The first two were carried out with an FT-IR system, so using infra-red light, and the other using Raman spectroscopy. The third was a multi-parametric mechanical test based on five different mechanical parameters linked to the voltage of the wire. The machine used to examine the Shroud’s fibres and test traction, allowed researchers to examine tiny fibres alongside about twenty samples of cloth dated between 3000 BC and 2000 AD.



The new tests carried out in the University of Padua labs were carried out by a number of university professors from various Italian universities and agree that the Shroud dates back to the period when Jesus Christ was crucified in Jerusalem. Final results show that the Shroud fibres examined produced the following dates, all of which are 95% certain and centuries away from the medieval dating obtained with Carbon-14 testing in 1988: the dates given to the Shroud after FT-IR testing, is 300 BC ±400, 200 BC ±500 after Raman testing and 400 AD ±400 after multi-parametric mechanical testing. The average of all three dates is 33 BC ±250 years. The book’s authors observed that the uncertainty of this date is less than the single uncertainties and the date is compatible with the historic date of Jesus’ death on the cross, which historians claim occurred in 30 AD.



The tests were carried out using tiny fibres of material extracted from the Shroud by micro-analyst Giovanni Riggi di Numana who passed away in 2008 but had participated in the1988 research project and gave the material to Fanti through the cultural institute Fondazione 3M.


http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/in ... one-23579/