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Just because something comes out of your mouth doesn't make it true. Just because something that comes out of my mouth dosen't make it true, but what you just said is laughable. Of course there is evidence for creation. Don't you have eyes, if so read this.SoccerfreakAB2 wrote: Depends on what you count as evidence. There is no evidence for creationism, yet many believe in that.
I sincerely cannot see why these things are evidence for deity-creation.Of course there is evidence for creation.
... trees ... atomic structure ... galexies of space ... my experience ... my logic, my reason, my guilt
correct but it is evidence of the possability, and for some of us that is all we need.Blob wrote:I sincerely cannot see why these things are evidence for deity-creation.Of course there is evidence for creation.
... trees ... atomic structure ... galexies of space ... my experience ... my logic, my reason, my guilt
Trees are evidence that trees exist; atomic structure is evidence that atomic theory exists; galaxies are evidence that galaxies exist.
Of course as thinking beings we can agree these things cry out for explanation. But that things exist and we desire to explain them does not make your selected explanation necessarily the valid one.
Further, some over-enthusiastic fans of The Matrix might claim these things do not exist at all! Your comment that your creator-god willfully deludes suggests you seem open to such a possibility too. If delusion rules then surely nothing can be trusted to evidence anything - a tree does not even evidence the existance of itself.
I agree. We really know no more about our universe than a goldfish in a bowl knows about its city of residence. This is why I concede that there might be a god - even the one of the bible.Thinker wrote:We are capped off at human knowledge. There is far to much complex matter everywhere.
I'll just state for the record that I am delighted to say she is perfectly fit and well nowadays everyone!For example, Blob's mother was hit by a bus (ouch!), went into a coma, and saw Jesus, yet she was an unbeliever before and now strong in faith. ... All of this can't be by chance, but it could, but I HIGHLY doubt it since it matches to what the Bible says.
I think this question...non sequitor, I don't see how one causes the other.But why does our very human and mutual lack of knowledge make you right and others wrong?
Thanks Thinker. In fact she was so bad the ambulance crew took her for dead when they first saw her in the road. It was a scary time and has been a remarkable recovery.Thinker wrote:Nice to hear your mother is fit as a fiddle!
I occasionally read the bible online and will have a look.Proverbs 3 is a great chapter on wisdom, give it a spin!
I'm just saying I don't see how a person can argue "no one knows everything" in support of any particular answer to life's big questions.AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:I think this question...non sequitor, I don't see how one causes the other.But why does our very human and mutual lack of knowledge make you right and others wrong?
I agree. These things are not proof that creation is true, but I was being told that there is no evidence for creation, and if there was no evidence, for me, than I wouldn't believe. I use them as evidence because they are what convince me, to simply say as Soccerfreak did that their is no evidence is absurd. Aren't the explanations basically theories that you talk about evidenced by observations and reviews of competing theories? I further concede your point that you feel that my particular explanation is not neccessarily the right one. That is why I claim here and elsewhare that Theories are outside the realm of science, they may be derived by a method based on logic and reason, but there is no proof for either. Wouldn't you agree that there is evidence that both evolution and creation could exist? Perhaps not soccerfreak apparently doesn't think creation explains may afore mentioned evidence. While evolution is an adequate explanation for material things it fails, in my opinion to account for the logic and reason that are the foundations of science. But I wouldn't be so absurd as to say there is no evidence for it, come on the fact that the world exists is evidence for any theory of origins.Blob wrote:
... trees ... atomic structure ... galexies of space ... my experience ... my logic, my reason, my guilt. I sincerely cannot see why these things are evidence for deity-creation. Trees are evidence that trees exist; atomic structure is evidence that atomic theory exists; galaxies are evidence that galaxies exist.
Of course as thinking beings we can agree these things cry out for explanation. But that things exist and we desire to explain them does not make your selected explanation necessarily the valid one.
Further, some over-enthusiastic fans of The Matrix might claim these things do not exist at all! Your comment that your creator-god willfully deludes suggests you seem open to such a possibility too. If delusion rules then surely nothing can be trusted to evidence anything - a tree does not even evidence the existance of itself.
True Christianity was not around until JesusBlob wrote:I agree. We really know no more about our universe than a goldfish in a bowl knows about its city of residence. This is why I concede that there might be a god - even the one of the bible.Thinker wrote:We are capped off at human knowledge. There is far to much complex matter everywhere.
But why does our very human and mutual lack of knowledge make you right and others wrong?
I'll just state for the record that I am delighted to say she is perfectly fit and well nowadays everyone!For example, Blob's mother was hit by a bus (ouch!), went into a coma, and saw Jesus, yet she was an unbeliever before and now strong in faith. ... All of this can't be by chance, but it could, but I HIGHLY doubt it since it matches to what the Bible says.
I consider beliefs to be cultural. My mother knew what christianity basically was before the accident (as do all British people). Yet I know of no examples of people meeting Jesus in an accident in isolated, traditional cultures that have never heard of the outside world. No "primitive" cultures "discovered" by the world are Christian in any sense to my knowledge.
PS Nice to see you saying a thing is "highly doubtful" rather than "absolutely impossible". You are more reasonable than some give you credit for, Thinker.
Very nice, great post Thinker.Thinker wrote:Thank you Blob. Nice to hear your mother is fit as a fiddle! For me, I think of science as our reality, and the Bible as our themepark. Science continues to evolve and change forever, and that is our reality which can be confusing, complex, and debatable, yet the Bible is what we read to just get away from it all and relax, like a themepark. The Bible never changes, the teachings never change, and wisdom is obtained from it. You understand a lot more. When in doubt, read the Bible. It is priceless information and gives you a lot of help in life. One must consider that the Bible was never intended as a science book to explain things in the first place. Genesis is just the backdrop of how life came, and the point is, because of it's complexity, we can never fully know. Now for me, when I read Genesis, I know it will be hard to understand, yet I maintain faith that what is written is how things came to be. My belief in God helps me to understand that whatever way God chose to create, was His doing. Perhaps it is because God is infinitely complex, He gave us what we could understand through Moses in Genesis, yet it is still hard to humanly interpret it. Again, I am just reminded of Proverbs 3:5 which states: "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;", this is comforting, it just lets us know that we aren't capable of knowing everything there is to know, and that is okay. Proverbs 3 is a great chapter on wisdom, give it a spin
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Yes I agree Fully!BGoodForGoodSake wrote:Very nice, great post Thinker.Thinker wrote:Thank you Blob. Nice to hear your mother is fit as a fiddle! For me, I think of science as our reality, and the Bible as our themepark. Science continues to evolve and change forever, and that is our reality which can be confusing, complex, and debatable, yet the Bible is what we read to just get away from it all and relax, like a themepark. The Bible never changes, the teachings never change, and wisdom is obtained from it. You understand a lot more. When in doubt, read the Bible. It is priceless information and gives you a lot of help in life. One must consider that the Bible was never intended as a science book to explain things in the first place. Genesis is just the backdrop of how life came, and the point is, because of it's complexity, we can never fully know. Now for me, when I read Genesis, I know it will be hard to understand, yet I maintain faith that what is written is how things came to be. My belief in God helps me to understand that whatever way God chose to create, was His doing. Perhaps it is because God is infinitely complex, He gave us what we could understand through Moses in Genesis, yet it is still hard to humanly interpret it. Again, I am just reminded of Proverbs 3:5 which states: "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;", this is comforting, it just lets us know that we aren't capable of knowing everything there is to know, and that is okay. Proverbs 3 is a great chapter on wisdom, give it a spin
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I think this pretty much ends this argument.
I don't see how see why someone would argue using that statement...Blob wrote:I'm just saying I don't see how a person can argue "no one knows everything" in support of any particular answer to life's big questions.AttentionKMartShoppers wrote:I think this question...non sequitor, I don't see how one causes the other.But why does our very human and mutual lack of knowledge make you right and others wrong?