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Re: Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:34 pm
by Jac3510
catherine wrote:Hi Furstentum Liechtenstein, I've been checking up on the 'president quotes' I provided earlier. By typing in the first few words of each quote I was able to find out lots of info and some possible sources of where they come from:
Jefferson's quote: 'a letter that Jefferson wrote to a man named John Taylor in 1816, Jefferson thanked Mr. Taylor for sending him a copy of a publication that he wrote titled Enquiry into the principles of our government.'
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/ ... anking.htm
Lincoln's Quote: 'Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins) Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY).
http://www.ratical.org/corporations/Lincoln.html
For for those more interested in verifying these quotes it is somewhere to start from at least.
You quote more of Lincoln: '......it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off [...], and provide new guards for their future security.'≠
I think you are preaching to the converted. The quotes I provided were interesting in that they were supposed observations or warnings of what could happen in the future if the banking systems got too powerful. And we are seeing these very things happening in front of our eyes! If those quotes turn out to be false (although from what I have researched I'm sure they are not) then I apologise whole- heartedly for using them. It still doesn't alter the fact that the banking systems have acted in the most reckless, dishonest, greedy way. Going on to your quote: it is advocating something that could result in us going against God's laws. (e.g there are Christians who are conscientious objectors as they do not believe in killing for political purposes). We have to be careful with our involvement with politics as this world is governed by the god of this world, the devil. B.W has posted something about 'going against the grain'. I believe the grain, to be the spirit of this world, the spirit that pervades politics and which is at enmity with God.
Sorry catherine . . . the quotes are false.
On the Lincoln quote, see
Snopes. The letter to Elkins was a forgery. On Jefferson, see
this book. In short, the word the first time the word "deflation" was used was in 1920; "inflaction" didn't appear in Webster until 1864. Besides that, I went through all the 1802-1803 letters I could find from Jefferson to Gallatin and simply couldn't find that quote . . .
Bubbles burst . . . sorry . . .
Re: Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:18 pm
by catherine
Hi Jac3510, thanks for your feedback on the quotes. I checked your links and stand corrected. I said in an earlier post:
''The quotes I provided were interesting in that they were
supposed observations or warnings of what could happen in the future if the banking systems got too powerful. And we are seeing these very things happening in front of our eyes!
If those quotes turn out to be false (although from what I have researched I'm sure they are not) then I apologise whole- heartedly for using them. It still doesn't alter the fact that the banking systems have acted in the most reckless, dishonest, greedy way.''
I apologise again and now know to be careful about checking supposed quotes etc. In light of what has been developing in the world as regards the financial crisis since this thread was first posted, it seems whoever was the true author of those quotes had an insight into how things could/would pan out if 'a few' were in control of the money etc.
What makes 'this time' (as opposed to 1929 for example) interesting to me, is that we have a globally linked economy now, we have the technology now, to implement the global 'mark' for which you need to buy or sell. Maybe I'm way off mark (pun not intended) but we can watch and see how things unfold. I live in the Uk, and they've just announced they're going to start printing money- alarm bells are ringing.........
Re: Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:16 pm
by Furstentum Liechtenstein
catherine wrote:I apologise again and now know to be careful about checking supposed quotes etc.
I told you so.
( I enjoy saying that! Thank you Jac3510.)
FL
Re: Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:21 pm
by catherine
Jac, I checked on the Snopes link you provided and found this regarding the Jefferson quote:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp
The real quote is: ''And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.''
So it was partly right and in fact the full quote is 'right on the money' in terms of what is now happening. I was thinking of the spurious quote of Lincoln's and doesn't it strike you as somewhat 'amazing'
that the person/s who actually said those things in the Lincoln quote (which was still a long time ago) clearly 'foretold' what is actually happening now?? 
Re: Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:01 pm
by zoegirl
I suppose that people back in the 30's talked about their financial crisis as well....bottom line...maybe....maybe not.
We are not to know the time....
Re: Is the present financial crisis a sign of end times?
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:24 am
by For_Narniaaa
I don't think it's a sign. All throughout history there are financial ups and downs. I think the world's moral state might be a better indicator of the approaching end times. Of course, like zoegirl mentioned above, we are not to know the time.