To get back on track here, cause this is important, what Zoe said makes a good point. You have yet to retract your eairliar satements, and what they imply. One must read them carefully, and I suggest you do so.
My advice Gabriel is that if you want to avoid my fate, while you are still young, forget all the wives tales you hear from Christians at church. They will not work. Women want a man in control with money, looks, and game.
This board is full of people that will give you bad advice on this point. Trust me. Don't be a beggar, a schumck, a beta male.
Get some game. Get yourself socialized properly and in that context dress right and take authority. Become an alpha male. If you don't have the money yet, then dress right, put a plan educational/career plan together and "act as if" while you work your plan. That's how you get the job done friend.
This was your first attempt at advice... You say women want a man in control... in control of what? Her, ain't gonna happen, that's just wrong. In control of other men? Not what a Christian does. In control of my own life? So are you saying I am not? I will leave that for an answer. Looks, but what kind. Sure you should be attracted to a person, but one must wonder why the emphasis. Looks/money, both matterialistic both not the focal point of a relationship.
You also insisted that no one here gives good advice, but it seems that no one agrees, which means that if you are the only one who holds this view then you are wrong here.
At the very end, I love this one, you tell me that if I don't have money/looks and game that I should lie as if I do until I did... so you want me to lie to women now... really? That is against Christian values, and it kills trust. I do not like the idea of being decitful.
So many men in this society are brainwashed by our modern liberal culture to view any attempt to explain to them that the modern liberal super sensitive beta male beggar ideal is not desirable nor does it often work as offensive. You can and should shed that approach. Many Christian books have been written on this subject. I am a Christian. Don't read into my advice anymore than that. No more was/is intended.
Do you honestly think women view all men the same? Do you really believe they want a poor, shy, ugly, guy with poor socialization skills that does whatever they tell him to. They do not. They'll tell you all sorts of nonsense but they are wired a certain way biologically and will follow their biological programming. God made them that way. Learn their programming and how to interface with them in real life and you'll get better results. Forget about what they say. They do the opposite of what they say all the time. Have you never heard the expression "it is a woman's perogative to change her mind"?
Let's see pointing that out makes me a woman hater, a chauvenistic pig, etc... It doesn't really but that's what usually happens when you tell a guy to stop asking women out for coffee and start acting like a man and interfacing with them in a way that gets results. Good luck with your choices. I wish I had listened years ago.
Again with the beta/alpha thing.... sigh... The alpha male is arrogant and is useually detested by the women who are worth my time, the mature ones. I have yet to see a Christian alpha male be on the right path to God and be in a good relationship with a woman who they listen to. I have seen alpha males with broken marriges.... they broke them too.
You are right to say one thing, women don't see men all the same. They see you for who you present yourself as. You have presistantly gone with the wired thing, and it has been denounced by real women... hmmm, so you are calling them liars then? Think of how what you write sounds. You also say that pointing out your opinion will be taken as you being a woman hater and a chauvenistic pig... feeling guilty. If you knew it would happen then why didn't you word it differently?
Blah blah blah... their talk is irrelevant and like following smoke trails around in different directions looking for a fire somewhere you'll not likely find because what they say and do are often two different things.
Women respond to the stimuli they are presented with according to their programming. That's what you need to key in on. Bring your A game and interface with them in a manner that brings forth desirable predictable responses and stay with it honing it as you go. Live it. You'll be the one that ends up with many choices. Afterwards, you can get to know them.
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Women respond to stimuli? Really...? And you wonder why I finally said it wasn't about sex, with your response being you weren't getting at that. Then if that isn't your goal why didn't you word this differently? The way you word things implies a lot about you. You also make it seem like all women want the same thing, so they don't have free will to choose? Is that what you ment? It seems that way, in almost every post. This hardwire thing is old, and there is no proof in what you say to support it, only accusations that these two are trying to lead me astray. Harsh. They have given good advice that I can use, you keep putting forth the "stimulat them and then choose one" idea. Women are people. They have thoughts, feelings and emotions just like you and I. They have hopes and dreams, ideas and opinions. Things that I have, things we can share.
The simplest definition is that it means interfacing with the needs and the wants of a female appropriately to get her to want to do what you want her to do. It includes matching your behavior, word choices, dress, socialization values and mores, intellect, etc... to accomplish this result. In the worldy sense, "game" is used to accomplish a sexually immoral result. In the Christian sense. it is used to get the girl you want to marry.
Here you say to match my behavior, words, ect., to theirs. I am not them... I am me, and I intend for them to see me for me. I should be myself.
You're a man. Men have a common biological template with attributes that can be understood and provide for predictable response. Sure there is variance but most will be within an acceptable variance to the mean. For example, we are visually stimulated. This is hard wired into our physiology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physiology and one of the reasons Steven advises us to bounce our eyes when necessary to avoid lusting after beautiful women. This is but one of many hardwired attributes that males possess. I thought Dr. Laura hit quite a number of the more interesting ones personally in her book.
Women also possess common attributes as a part of their physiology. Knowing what these are and how to interface with them in a way that makes you a prospect for dating and marriage and not just a friend will get you on your way to where you want and need to go.
Back to bio 101. True men are attracted to women. However here is where you lose me on the "it isn't about sex" thing. This entire time it seems like you are implying that I should look for a woman, lie to her, be something I am not, get rich, be arrogant, and get the girl of my choice.... so if I am not being true to them and myself, and if I am not caring what they say because I am lying to them to get the results you think I want, then what are you getting at? What's left? I want my future wife to be my best friend, not someone I tricked into marrying me. Cslewislover and Zoe make good points about what you say, this is just me reminding you of what you said.
zoegirl wrote:And yes,Agbrielman, hazelnut is awesome coffee....hazelnut cinnamon is even better. And I shouldn;t have too much of it....one cup in the morning is all I should do...the caffeine can complicate.
Man I wish I could drink flavored coffee again!
Jac3510, good advice, I will remember it.
Age.... look at your original posts, reread what you said, think of how it is viewed by all those who see it. Think of how you worded it. That's all I will say.
God bless!