"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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Hi Vanessa, great to have you here.VanessaRavencroft wrote:I don't need a shroud or any physical relic as proof GOD exists.
Look at a baby and you see GOD,
Look at a bug and you see HIM.
All science has yet to explain life, at what exact point inert matter becomes alive.
Something as simple as a cockroach, do you know what kind of computer processing power you need to make a functional robot cockroach. Something that does all the things that insect does?
If you know a little about programming and coding, you most likely agree, the program would be massive (Digital) I am talking about stimuli the roach reacts to, the functions of self preservation., procreation, nourishment gathering, leg control, etc.
Now another subject : Poop, yep you heard right. The brown stuff you leave behind after a meal.
Would you believe that it would take a chemical factory of considerable size to produce a poor analog?
How easy would recycling be , if we could build an artificial digestion system. Everything useful is broken down and the rest collected in a bio degradable mass (I am not kidding , Belgian Scientists built the first "S...t machine. A huge contraption)
Yet you eat a handful of rice and get enough energy to think, walk, move items from A to B, drive a car. learn, procreate and a myriad things,
My point is (and I am a PhD level scientist) that in all our self important know it all perception of the world, we really can't explain very much.
Ask any scientist to really explain to you such basic things as "Electricity", "Magnetism" , Molecular cohesion, Gravity or the real difference between mass and weight.
Don't stop at the standard answers. We know what electricity does, we can quantify it only if we use another very little understood aspect of the Universe: Time.
But no scientist can really tell you what it is. (If they could there be no more cables and Zero Point devices in every energy consuming machine)
No I don't need a Shroud, I don't need "splinters of the one true cross" or the bones of saints, these are crutches , man made things to ask for more offerings to built more opulent churches.
Our God is the only GOD that reaches out to us, all the others idols want you to follow them.
And even as a skeptic you can't deny that there is incredible wisdom in the words our savior spoke while he was on Earth.
They say; "Open your heart to Jesus" I say open your eyes and ears and analyze his words free of any religious doctrine and you just might become a true Christian following the one "true" Church which is described and proclaimed by Jesus.
No popes, no Theologians needed.
The way GOD reveals himself to you beyond any Earthly things and evidence, by FAITH alone.
VR
Nonsense, are you saying that the shroud was etched with lasers, that somehow did not slice the body under it up. Just thinkStMonicaGuideMe wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... -robe.html
The scientists set out to "identify the physical and chemical processes capable of generating a colour similar to that of the image on the Shroud." They concluded that the exact shade, texture and depth of the imprints on the cloth could only be produced with the aid of ultraviolet lasers – technology that was clearly not available in medieval times.
The scientists used extremely brief pulses of ultraviolet light to replicate the kind of marks found on the burial cloth.
They concluded that the iconic image of the bearded man must therefore have been created by "some form of electromagnetic energy (such as a flash of light at short wavelength)." Although they stopped short of offering a non-scientific explanation for the phenomenon, their findings will be embraced by those who believe that the marks on the shroud were miraculously created at the moment of Christ's Resurrection.... "But as scientists, we were concerned only with verifiable scientific processes. We hope our results can open up a philosophical and theological debate but we will leave the conclusions to the experts, and ultimately to the conscience of individuals."
Hi Creation, if you go back over the article again you will find that is not what it says. It says the only way modern scientists can reproduce the cloth is to use lasers. They concluded that at the instant of the resurrection there was a flash of electromagnetic radiation that formed the image on the cloth.Creation wrote:Nonsense, are you saying that the shroud was etched with lasers, that somehow did not slice the body under it up. Just thinkStMonicaGuideMe wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... -robe.html
The scientists set out to "identify the physical and chemical processes capable of generating a colour similar to that of the image on the Shroud." They concluded that the exact shade, texture and depth of the imprints on the cloth could only be produced with the aid of ultraviolet lasers – technology that was clearly not available in medieval times.
The scientists used extremely brief pulses of ultraviolet light to replicate the kind of marks found on the burial cloth.
They concluded that the iconic image of the bearded man must therefore have been created by "some form of electromagnetic energy (such as a flash of light at short wavelength)." Although they stopped short of offering a non-scientific explanation for the phenomenon, their findings will be embraced by those who believe that the marks on the shroud were miraculously created at the moment of Christ's Resurrection.... "But as scientists, we were concerned only with verifiable scientific processes. We hope our results can open up a philosophical and theological debate but we will leave the conclusions to the experts, and ultimately to the conscience of individuals."