Evidence for God from Science

Zionist wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

Ivellious wrote:But Rick, both your description and Protestant's both mean that Christians and Jews don't worship the same God. The Jewish God is Unitarian and has no son either. Yet, most Christians won't hesitate to tell you that they worship the same God as the Jews.

Personally I'd say that Paul is closest to my belief; that Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God, albeit in greatly differing ways and with different understandings.

Well, worship the same God is a bit of a stretch...that their religions have, as their Deity, the original God of Abraham, yes of course.
But that is where it ends because HOW the worship and WHAT they worship is not the same.
Trinity thing aside, the Hebrew God and Islamic God is far more "the same" than the Christian God because of what he demands and gives Us.
Allah and Yahweh are more "works oriented" while the Christian God revealed in Christ is a giver of grace, of forgiveness and salvation.
Allah and Yahweh are "unattainable" to their worshipers, The God of Christians become MAN so that we could attain Him.
IMO, Yahweh became Our Father via Christs complete and correct revelation of Him and only be being a christian cna we understand Yahweh as Christ has revealed Him but to do that we must accept Christ, those that don't accept Christ "get" the OT Yahweh/ Allah.

i have to say that i don't agree with you on this paul. you seem to be separating chrsitans and hebrews when we are all grafted together and worship the same God the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You seem to paint God as works oriented in the OT when he was always the God of forgiveness, salvation and grace. The hebrew people are our brothers and sisters and although as a collective they may not believe Yeshua as messiah they do believe in the messiah which as we speak more and more hebrews are starting see Him as that. I just hate seeing people separate christians and hebrews as if they have been replaced by us when in fact we are all brothers and sisters. it does sadden me to read stuff like this from fellow brothers. Allah is not the same as the God of the hebrews (which is our God too) he just isn't and i can't believe you actually said that.

Zionist wrote:@ paul
im sorry man but please do the research for yourself. islam doesn't worship the same god as the christian and hebrew God. as B.W. stated the god of islam is a babylonian moon god. do the research yourself and you'll see.

PaulSacramento wrote:
I am not sepearating Christians and Hebrews or Islamics for that matter, I made it clear that they have the same God ( there is only ONE God).
My point is they worship that God under a different understanding of what that God IS and Wants.
It's not about Jesus ( or Yeshua if you perfer) being recognized as the Messiah, but about the Christian understanding of the Triune Godhead.
Muslims view themselves as decendents of Abraham and they wroship the same God as the Hebrew BUT HOW they worship that God is based on the teachings of Mohamed and as such, they view that THEY are the ones with the correct understanding of WHO God is and WHAT he wants from us and HOW to worship Him.

PaulSacramento wrote:I am not sepearating Christians and Hebrews or Islamics for that matter, I made it clear that they have the same God ( there is only ONE God).
My point is they worship that God under a different understanding of what that God IS and Wants.
It's not about Jesus ( or Yeshua if you perfer) being recognized as the Messiah, but about the Christian understanding of the Triune Godhead.
Muslims view themselves as decendents of Abraham and they wroship the same God as the Hebrew BUT HOW they worship that God is based on the teachings of Mohamed and as such, they view that THEY are the ones with the correct understanding of WHO God is and WHAT he wants from us and HOW to worship Him.

Jac3510 wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:I am not sepearating Christians and Hebrews or Islamics for that matter, I made it clear that they have the same God ( there is only ONE God).
My point is they worship that God under a different understanding of what that God IS and Wants.
It's not about Jesus ( or Yeshua if you perfer) being recognized as the Messiah, but about the Christian understanding of the Triune Godhead.
Muslims view themselves as decendents of Abraham and they wroship the same God as the Hebrew BUT HOW they worship that God is based on the teachings of Mohamed and as such, they view that THEY are the ones with the correct understanding of WHO God is and WHAT he wants from us and HOW to worship Him.

I agree with Paul.

Gman wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:
I am not sepearating Christians and Hebrews or Islamics for that matter, I made it clear that they have the same God ( there is only ONE God).
My point is they worship that God under a different understanding of what that God IS and Wants.
It's not about Jesus ( or Yeshua if you perfer) being recognized as the Messiah, but about the Christian understanding of the Triune Godhead.
Muslims view themselves as decendents of Abraham and they wroship the same God as the Hebrew BUT HOW they worship that God is based on the teachings of Mohamed and as such, they view that THEY are the ones with the correct understanding of WHO God is and WHAT he wants from us and HOW to worship Him.

Wow.. This is completely off base.. Muslim's most certainly worship a different god. Muslim's worship a god dreamed up by mohammad from a dark cave. This god is ultimate replacement theology where it supersedes everything before it, including the last words of Yeshua. It is not the G-d of love or the Bible. It is a god of destruction. Muslims are Abraham's descendents, true, and they will triumph under the true G-d of Abraham and Jacob in the future. Not under Esau.

You will find many comparisons here:

http://carm.org/religious-movements/isl ... c-doctrine
http://carm.org/differences-between-bible-and-quran
http://carm.org/religious-movements/isl ... -terrorism
http://carm.org/islam

PaulSacramento wrote: Have you read the reply of Muslims to this argument?
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/195/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... ongod.html

Gman wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote: Have you read the reply of Muslims to this argument?
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/195/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... ongod.html

Nonsense.. Of course they are going to want you to believe that their god is the G-d of the Bible. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Their god is not the G-d the Bible. Buy a koran and read it. They don't even know what it is they worship.

PaulSacramento wrote:

Gman wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote: Have you read the reply of Muslims to this argument?
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/195/
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ ... ongod.html

Nonsense.. Of course they are going to want you to believe that their god is the G-d of the Bible. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Their god is not the G-d the Bible. Buy a koran and read it. They don't even know what it is they worship.

Similar arguments have been put forth VS Christianity.