Evidence for God from Science

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:Audie, Paul.

Depends on what one has in mind when he says that a and b are/are not the same thing.

Is that the Vice of Relativism that I so recently heard was a world wide plague?

Is electricity and magnetism the same thing?

The actual topic was the unevidenced assertion that any of those had (been caused to) come into existence.

Yes, and I think I said to that topic something in some my previous post

1over137 wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:Audie, Paul.

Depends on what one has in mind when he says that a and b are/are not the same thing.

Is that the Vice of Relativism that I so recently heard was a world wide plague?

Is electricity and magnetism the same thing?

The actual topic was the unevidenced assertion that any of those had (been caused to) come into existence.

Yes, and I think I said to that topic something in some my previous post

I take it you agree there is no evidence for said assertion.

I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

Yes, science has moved passed Aristotle's physics. You are throwing out the baby (Aristotelian metaphysics) with the bathwater. Is it possible you are making a mistake?

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

You seriously think we are preaching Aristotle's science here? my, my! get down from your high horse, lady. To top that, a Genetic fallacy hardly helps you here.

jlay wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

Yes, science has moved passed Aristotle's physics. You are throwing out the baby (Aristotelian metaphysics) with the bathwater. Is it possible you are making a mistake?

Of course. And you?

neo-x wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

You seriously think we are preaching Aristotle's science here? my, my! get down from your high horse, lady. To top that, a Genetic fallacy hardly helps you here.

No, not the genetic fallacy! Surely not!

You kinda missed on the other two also.

Still tho if nobody has more physical evidence for mass / energy having been created by a creator than Aristotle did
I might revisipnize my thoughts a little.

Just that there are beautiful physics equations behind it. And beautiful symmetries. Like created.

1over137 wrote:Just that there are beautiful physics equations behind it. And beautiful symmetries. Like created.

Cant argue with the beauty of math.

Classes start again tomorrow, so I wont have much time for this.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Audie wrote:

neo-x wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

You seriously think we are preaching Aristotle's science here? my, my! get down from your high horse, lady. To top that, a Genetic fallacy hardly helps you here.

No, not the genetic fallacy! Surely not!

You kinda missed on the other two also.

Still tho if nobody has more physical evidence for mass / energy having been created by a creator than Aristotle did
I might revisipnize my thoughts a little.

Forget the creation from nothing argument, it is pointless (from a philosophical view point). How about we get back to the topic we started before Christmas, i.e. motion/change. Did you get a chance to do some reading?

Byblos wrote:

Audie wrote:

neo-x wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

You seriously think we are preaching Aristotle's science here? my, my! get down from your high horse, lady. To top that, a Genetic fallacy hardly helps you here.

No, not the genetic fallacy! Surely not!

You kinda missed on the other two also.

Still tho if nobody has more physical evidence for mass / energy having been created by a creator than Aristotle did
I might revisipnize my thoughts a little.

Forget the creation from nothing argument, it is pointless (from a philosophical view point). How about we get back to the topic we started before Christmas, i.e. motion/change. Did you get a chance to do some reading?

I kind of think "something from nothing" is pointless from any POV other than
for some of our more dim theists to use it to prove to their satisfaction that there is a god, evolution is stupid, or whatever.

I can respect a person, who from a scientific or religious pov will accept that there are mysteries far too profound for human intellect, now, and likely, ever.

I did say I'd try to do some of that reading, on a trans pacific flight. I didnt.
I went to sleep. And I was way too occupied with other things in HK to give it any thought.

Classes start today. I dont guess I am likely to any time inform myself to where I can stand up and slug it out in the philosophical ring with anyone.

Audie wrote:

jlay wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:I will stay mute, because I do not know what kind of evidence I can offer you except such Jac is offering to NSV in other thread. (The first cause argument)

Tnx, I will pass. Science has moved somewhere past Aristotle.

Yes, science has moved passed Aristotle's physics. You are throwing out the baby (Aristotelian metaphysics) with the bathwater. Is it possible you are making a mistake?

Of course. And you?

And you, what?
Audie, it's like a child saying, "I know you are but what am I?"

I just asked if you think its possible you are making a mistake yourself. You made another in how you interpreted that.

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:

Audie wrote:

1over137 wrote:Audie, Paul.

Depends on what one has in mind when he says that a and b are/are not the same thing.

Is that the Vice of Relativism that I so recently heard was a world wide plague?

Is electricity and magnetism the same thing?

The actual topic was the unevidenced assertion that any of those had (been caused to) come into existence.

Indeed.
And my point is that MASS can come into existence and, one can argue, so does certain types of energy ( kinetic for example).