Re: When Did Adam Live?
Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:03 am
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I guess the primary reason is that I don't believe Scripture makes that claim anywhere.crochet1949 wrote:Why NOT have Adam and Eve Being the actual 1st people that God created?
How do you come up with these questions? And I say that with a smile.Audie wrote:Are you self aware when you are dreaming?Storyteller wrote:Consciousness isn`t an illusion though, is it?JLAfan2001 wrote:"So murder and rape are not evil? They`re natural instincts for survival?"
Yes, they are. It happens all the time in the animal kingdom. You wouldn't consider that evil. Humans are animals, nothing more. We inherited those instincts from the other animals. Just because we have the illusion of conciousness and "morality", doesn't make them real. We made them up and they have no scientific evidence to their reality. They are just preferences and preferences are irrelevant in nature.
Does that mean I would like to be murdered? Obviously not but it doesn't matter what I want. Someone has the natural right to try to kill me and I have the natural right to defend myself. Whoever wins, has the natural right to live.
We are self aware, why?
So Audie can't challenge you? She is actually agnostic, not atheist, as far as I am aware too.JLAfan2001 wrote:"It trancsend them."
Meant to say "it can't trancsend them."
"This is an example of something I dont think you have thought through.
The bible is made up of many writings of many different authors. Some of it is poetry. You propose that the poetry has been falsified? The talk of Babylon has been falsified?
You cant find a science text without error, and American high school books are terrible. So, every last thing in them has been "falsified" because you can identify some errors?
Further..whether or not "sin", (as defined, how?) "came into the world" by this means or that, whether or not one thinks it has religious meaning, sin is real enough."
The creation story was meant to be read as historical. That's what the writers meant to convey. If the creation account is wrong, what else is wrong? How can you tell?
You're an atheist and I'm an ex-christian. Don't tell me how the bible was meant to be read or written. I probably know more about it than you do.
"Are you self aware when you are dreaming?"
Dreaming is just the brains way of building new neurons by processing the days events to build new memories
Agnosticsim is a stupid position to hold. She may say that she doesn't know if god exists but I bet she lives as if he doesn't. Does she read the bible regulary, does she go to church, does she pray or preach? If not, what separates her from an atheist? Do you think your god would be happy with that position?So Audie can't challenge you? She is actually agnostic, not atheist, as far as I am aware too.
You tell her not to tell you how to read the bible yet its okay for you to come blazing in telling us we are all wrong?
Btw, have you ever read a book How to win friends and influence people? I would highly recommend it.
Then I suggest you go find somewhere else to preach. Your statement, and your reason for being here is against forum rules.JLA wrote:
Btw, I'm not here to make friends. Just to point out that christians are wrong in their beliefs.
Perhaps you, like I, have learned to be able to wake yourself up from a nightmare.Storyteller wrote:How do you come up with these questions? And I say that with a smile.Audie wrote:Are you self aware when you are dreaming?Storyteller wrote:Consciousness isn`t an illusion though, is it?JLAfan2001 wrote:"So murder and rape are not evil? They`re natural instincts for survival?"
Yes, they are. It happens all the time in the animal kingdom. You wouldn't consider that evil. Humans are animals, nothing more. We inherited those instincts from the other animals. Just because we have the illusion of conciousness and "morality", doesn't make them real. We made them up and they have no scientific evidence to their reality. They are just preferences and preferences are irrelevant in nature.
Does that mean I would like to be murdered? Obviously not but it doesn't matter what I want. Someone has the natural right to try to kill me and I have the natural right to defend myself. Whoever wins, has the natural right to live.
We are self aware, why?
I suppose not when I'm dreaming but then animals dream too. I wonder if self awareness is learnt? As far as I know babies aren't self aware either. I've never really thought about it tbh.
Actually, this is not the case.I have scientific evidence that there was no Adam & Eve. The fossil record and genetics refutes it
This kind of post is as distasteful to someone who values science, as yec and gappism must be to someone who values science or Christianity, or for that matter, both.JLAfan2001 wrote:Agnosticsim is a stupid position to hold. She may say that she doesn't know if god exists but I bet she lives as if he doesn't. Does she read the bible regulary, does she go to church, does she pray or preach? If not, what separates her from an atheist? Do you think your god would be happy with that position?So Audie can't challenge you? She is actually agnostic, not atheist, as far as I am aware too.
You tell her not to tell you how to read the bible yet its okay for you to come blazing in telling us we are all wrong?
Btw, have you ever read a book How to win friends and influence people? I would highly recommend it.
I come blazing in telling you all that you are wrong because you are. I have scientific evidence that there was no Adam & Eve. The fossil record and genetics refutes it. All you guys are doing is desperately scrambling to try and save this doctrine and it's quite plain, from the outsider's point of view, that it can't be saved. Maybe civilzation started in Mesopotamia around 6,000BC but I'm pretty sure language, art, symbolism and tool making was around long before then. They have recent findings that Neanderthals made art. How do you explain that if Adam was the first human endowed with god's image? Is morality the mark of god? I've already explained why it isn't. The better explaination is that they are all products of an enlarged brain due to evolution and natural selection.
Btw, I'm not here to make friends. Just to point out that christians are wrong in their beliefs.
Hi Paul,PaulSacramento wrote:Actually, this is not the case.I have scientific evidence that there was no Adam & Eve. The fossil record and genetics refutes it
What genetics an fossil records prove is that there would be need MORE than just two people to account for the genetic diversity in humanity, not that there was never an Adam and Eve.
Context is everything.
Adam and Eve may very well have been the two VERY FIRST humans ( there always has to be a first) at a given point in time, in a given location.
By golly that's the best Paul Harvey impersonation I've heard in a long time ! ... sorry, just sayinGood day.
I certainly hope not. I'm YEC, but I'm at the head of the line in pointing out that not only do all Christians not hold to YEC but that some (many/most?) of the most important theologians in church history were not YEC. There are important issues in the creationism debate, but they are strictly theological in nature and have absolutely zero impact on one's Christianity or on the validity of the Christian faith in general.supersonicthehedgehog wrote:Hi Paul,
I'm new here (You can call me SSH or Sonic).
Is JLA suggesting that all Christian believe in YEC? (I'm 16 and not very knowledgeable in creationism and apologetics)
JLA wrote:Btw, I'm not here to make friends. Just to point out that christians are wrong in their beliefs.
Wow, that's scary! That's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote it. I even read it back to myself in my best Paul Harvey voice. I guess demented great minds think alike!EssentialSacrifice wrote:By golly that's the best Paul Harvey impersonation I've heard in a long time ! ... sorry, just sayinGood day.