Evidence for God from Science

RickD wrote:

Mel wrote:
Whoa, hang on here.
If you don't respond to my questions, you're being being obtuse and there will be consequences.
Grace period?

This has got to be a place as far as I see it, where anyone can contribute as long as they are not being disrespectful, or personally derogative.
Not a place where threats are made.
Unless absolutely necessary.
Ken is just putting forward his beliefs. I disagree with him, but I have read the board guidelines a number of times, and he has not breached them.
A lack of understanding for you position Rick is not a basis for threats.

Well Mel,

Then maybe you need to reread the Board purpose. Specifically the underlined.

Who is the message board intended for?
This message board is publicly open to anyone who wishes to register and participate in discussions, however it is ultimately intended for a specific audience. It is intended to serve as a place for:

Sincere seekers to inquire and ask questions;
Christians to give and receive encouragement and instruction; and
Non-Christians who are willing to "walk a thin line" and reason sensitively and respectfully.
This board is not for those who have strongly made up their mind that Christ is "not" for them; who merely wish to put down, debate, and argue against essential Christian beliefs. As such, those who are Christian, have not made up their minds, or desire civilised discussions on Christianity are encouraged to join, while others who merely wish to attack and try to discredit Christianity are discouraged and will be heavily moderated.

This board is not intended for posters like Kenny. He has been given more opportunities than anyone else, since I've been here. And if you were following Kenny's posts since he joined, like I've been following them, you'd understand what I'm talking about.
And since you think the reason why I warned Kenny is simply because he doesn't understand my position, it's obvious you have no idea what Kenny has been posting for the last 16 months.

And Mel,

You said Kenny is putting forth his beliefs. When has Kenny ever put forth any belief? He has made it a habit of avoiding posting beliefs, so he won't have to defend what he believes. It's an extremely dishonest and disrespectful way to have discussions.
So yes Mel, the warnings are long overdue. Whether you like it or not.

Look at it from my pov. I allow Kenny to continue posting as he does, and I'm not enforcing the board guidelines. If I do enforce the board guidelines, then I'm accused by you of being a bully.

melanie wrote:Well then, I guess all I have to say is "sorry but I disagree".
If someone could point out exactly where Ken broke the guidelines rules that would be appreciated. On here or pm, that would be great.
Perhaps that would be in the best interest of the forum, if every time someone broke one of these rules, it was clearly stated when and how a rule has been breached. For the most part so the poster is clearly aware and everyone else. Speficalky quoted and warned.
But hey, that's just my opinion.

B. W. wrote:FYI...

Kenny appears to be thoroughly entrenched in sophism as the main crux of his debate style...

Again brush up on sophism and see what I mean:

http://www.iep.utm.edu/sophists/

http://www.iep.utm.edu/sophists/#SH3b

http://www.philosophybasics.com/movements_sophism.html
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abelcainsbrother wrote: ALL things have a cause and all things that are caused are caused by something else and all things are willed into existence

abelcainsbrother wrote:and ask them can they name anything in our world that does not apply to these facts

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote: ALL things have a cause and all things that are caused are caused by something else and all things are willed into existence

I noticed you enunciated the word "all". Does this means this applies to God as well?

abelcainsbrother wrote:and ask them can they name anything in our world that does not apply to these facts

What about outside our world?

K

Nicki wrote:

Kenny wrote:

abelcainsbrother wrote: ALL things have a cause and all things that are caused are caused by something else and all things are willed into existence

I noticed you enunciated the word "all". Does this means this applies to God as well?

abelcainsbrother wrote:and ask them can they name anything in our world that does not apply to these facts

What about outside our world?

K

God is usually seen as the great uncaused Cause - nothing else could have made itself or come from nowhere but he is the eternal one who could have made everything.

Jac3510 wrote:Nikki, Kenny is technically correct, but it's the sort of absurd and trivial point that demonstates why he's fundamentally unserious in these discussions. Yes, abel should have worded it better. He should have said "all effects have a cause." His second portion was correct, "and all things that are caused are caused by something else." That was right. He could have just left the first five words off.

Alternativey, abel could just point out (rightly) that God isn't a thing and so his statement is correct as it stands. But none of this matters. It's all just a technical discussion of how to word abel's point. If Kenny were honest, he would address the actual point abel is making rather than arguing about the semantics. But he isn't. He's too busy playing gotcha to have a serious dialogue.

Beyond that, Nikki, you are absolutely correct in your statement about God and the uncaused cause. Well said.