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Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:20 am
by Storyteller
I think we should ban the word atheist, change it to non believer.
I have never thought science absolutely proves God, it may explain the how but it can't explain the why, and God is the why.
There are a lot of scientists that dont discount God, what makes them think that if science disproves God?
In answer to your hypothetical question Ken, I would call them a person of (misguided) faith
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:49 am
by RickD
Kenny,
Last chance. Do not post again, without addressing my question that I asked you here:
http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 88#p190188
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:54 am
by Kenny
Storyteller wrote:I think we should ban the word atheist, change it to non believer.
I have never thought science absolutely proves God, it may explain the how but it can't explain the why, and God is the why.
There are a lot of scientists that dont discount God, what makes them think that if science disproves God?
In answer to your hypothetical question Ken, I would call them a person of (misguided) faith
The question was aimed at someone who claims an atheist must assert God does not exist rather than someone who simply doesn’t believe in God (note the difference) which seems a rather impossible position to hold unless God is defined first. Judging from previous conversations, you don’t seem to hold this position.
Anyway getting back to the hypothetical, which of the three would you say I would fit under; Theist, Atheist, or Agnostic?
Ken
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:14 am
by RickD
Fine Kenny. Have it your way.
Banned for two weeks.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:15 am
by RickD
Here's a good blog that explains what I've been saying:
http://www.strangenotions.com/is-atheism-a-belief/
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:11 am
by Storyteller
Kenny wrote:Storyteller wrote:I think we should ban the word atheist, change it to non believer.
I have never thought science absolutely proves God, it may explain the how but it can't explain the why, and God is the why.
There are a lot of scientists that dont discount God, what makes them think that if science disproves God?
In answer to your hypothetical question Ken, I would call them a person of (misguided) faith
The question was aimed at someone who claims an atheist must assert God does not exist rather than someone who simply doesn’t believe in God (note the difference) which seems a rather impossible position to hold unless God is defined first. Judging from previous conversations, you don’t seem to hold this position.
Anyway getting back to the hypothetical, which of the three would you say I would fit under; Theist, Atheist, or Agnostic?
Ken
Will respond, even tough it looks like it will be a couple of weeks til we chat again
I'd say you were a non believer
maybe agnostic because as far as I am aware you dont claim God doesnt exist, just that you dont think He does.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:12 am
by Storyteller
RickD wrote:Fine Kenny. Have it your way.
Banned for two weeks.
Meanie
I like talking to ken.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:14 am
by neo-x
RickD wrote:Fine Kenny. Have it your way.
Banned for two weeks.
I doubt this is going to achieve the result you're hoping for.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:09 am
by RickD
neo-x wrote:RickD wrote:Fine Kenny. Have it your way.
Banned for two weeks.
I doubt this is going to achieve the result you're hoping for.
It's gone beyond the point of achieving the result I'm looking for(honest conversation that he actually pays attention to, and understands what others say).
I hope you all understand why we "bent" the forum rules, and allowed Kenny to continue posting as long as we have.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:22 am
by Mallz
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Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:05 am
by Storyteller
Debated whether to post this here or pm you Rick, forgive me if you feel it should have been pm.
I dont quite understand why you banned Ken. He didnt answer a question? Seriously? You know I respect you, as a poster and as a moderator, I just dont get this.
Although Ken and I disagree about God, any discussions we've had have been interesting and respectful. I honestly dont understand why you banned him.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:21 am
by RickD
Storyteller wrote:Debated whether to post this here or pm you Rick, forgive me if you feel it should have been pm.
I dont quite understand why you banned Ken. He didnt answer a question? Seriously? You know I respect you, as a poster and as a moderator, I just dont get this.
Although Ken and I disagree about God, any discussions we've had have been interesting and respectful. I honestly dont understand why you banned him.
Yes, if anyone has any questions about why Kenny was banned, please pm me.
Let's keep on topic from this point forward please.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:37 pm
by Nessa
RickD wrote:Storyteller wrote:Debated whether to post this here or pm you Rick, forgive me if you feel it should have been pm.
I dont quite understand why you banned Ken. He didnt answer a question? Seriously? You know I respect you, as a poster and as a moderator, I just dont get this.
Although Ken and I disagree about God, any discussions we've had have been interesting and respectful. I honestly dont understand why you banned him.
Yes, if anyone has any questions about why Kenny was banned, please pm me.
Let's keep on topic from this point forward please.
Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:44 am
by B. W.
FYI:
Temp bans are a way of a time out for a cool down period. So we will have to wait and see if he wants to return or not. In the meantime...
Chat away...
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Re: Alright, i got a good question.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:53 am
by Storyteller
MBPrata wrote:not all scientists agree with Stephen Hawking and there are competing ideas too.
Oh, dear! You think I'm 10 years old or something?! Or 12? You think I don't know that? You think I believe every scientist agrees with mr. Hawking? Me, who keep showing you that every belief has someone else who doesn't believe in it? You think that is who I am? Huh?
You are going by non-peer reviewed scientific ideas out there,I hope you know.
Yes, I "know" it (not really, because I don't "know", I believe OR think). But those perspectives come from intelligent people, which is enough for me to consider their perspectives. Not believe; consider.
Is there any criteria that defines what you might believe once you've considered something?
Is there anything you believe or is it like, anything is a possibility?