My sincere apologies for misunderstanding who that ESL thing was addressed to.Audie wrote:Ice, I was speaking of and for myself when I said its an ESL thing.
English is not my first language.
I was not trying to act superior.
If you want a reset, fine with me.
The above post in which you speak about me to me and to others on divers topics
would be difficult to format for a response, the more so with this tiny tablet.
If you have a single topic, separate it out and I will see what I can do with it-if you like.
With every reasonable effort at mutual respect?
A reset would be nice, yes.
So:
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Audie wrote:Why enjoy summer if you know winter is coming?
2)IceMobster wrote: I am not sure I fully understood what you wanted to say with this. Mind explaining it?
IceMobster wrote: However, that still doesn't explain the point of your life. I am certain I would become a nihilist if this quote above was applied to me. So, my question is, what keeps you from not being one?
And how is it rational to believe that we are a product of coincidence (and lots of it)? How can coincidence produce symmetrical, connected and balanced form?
Why do you believe it to be the truth?Kenny wrote:I can't speak for Audie, but for me atheism is not something I choose because it sounds fun, or is preferred, I accept it because I believe it to be the truth.IceMobster wrote:Can we get back on topic, please? I still don't have any idea how did she conclude I am self indulgent.
I'd like to know why Audie thinks atheism makes any sense if eternal nothingness awaits you. Nothingness which means your mind and the ability to think is gone after this life.
I know I am coming dangerously close to nihilism, but both claim there is nothing after this life, so, I would like to hear her(or anyone's) thinking concerning the topic.
I want to understand that way of thinking.
Ken
It is not that much about relevancy of the ice cream or yourself, but rather how I can't comprehend why do you live if nothingness awaits... but you already answered that ("journey is what matters and not the destination"), so, yeah...Kenny wrote:Of course there is! The journey is the point of it all. Right now I am eating Ice cream while communicating to you. A Million years from now nobody will care that at this point and time I have chosen to eat Ice cream, but I am not eating Ice cream to impress someone a million years from now, I'm eating it because I enjoy it right now! That's the point of it all. I'll have to admit; I've never understood this idea that if it doesn't matter a million years from now, it is just useless activity.B. W. wrote:Then it ends and there is no point to it all anywayKenny wrote:It's about the journey; not the destination.IceMobster wrote:What is the point in living if there is eternal nothingness afterwards? Note that I am not implying the: "If there is no God, everything is allowed." - it is irrelevant in this case.
Does it matter if you do this or that in this ~80 years of your life if you perish into nothingness after death?
If there was no God, I would kill myself right now, so, why don't you do it?
I've read somewhere that (from an atheist point of view) the purpose of life is to share the knowledge onto the next unit (being, probably the descendant), but what is the point in that? So they can do the same while your nous disappears as you die knowing their will, too?
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Because I would see no sense in living on since anything I do is irrelevant - both in this life and in the after life. There would be no end goal, no hope, mercy, love or justice for those who didn't do well in this life. Not to mention that all of that would be a result of crude coincidence, a natural selection, luck. If they had more of it(luck), what a life that would be... Oh, right... An irrelevant one. Awaited only by nothing. Well, I would be too depressed to do anything since nothing matters. I couldn't be angry on some immoral acts or injustices since there is nothing to compare them to. Much like in nature. You can't say that nature is evil for killing thousands of people with her earthquakes or whatnot. It is in nature's nature. It's a normal thing. I feel like I could continue to write for another half an hour but I'll stop here.Storyteller wrote:Why would you really do it if there is no God?
Either way life is a gift.
Thank you for the gift but I don't want to accept it, eh? Would that be a valid answer?