Evidence for God from Science

Eternity is Forever and ever and ever. I've already made my choice and it's heaven for Me.

Those who would willingly spend that time in hell -- realizing what hell Is --well it is their personal choice.

Now another question could be. Back when German's willingly hid Jews / risking their lives in the process. If the soldiers came to Your house where you were hiding Jews -- we are told 'thou shalt not lie'. So, would a person be justified in lying to save the innocent life that was in hiding
There was a case I'd heard about -- the person hiding the Jewish lady actually Did admit they had her and she was taken into custody == Jewish people were being herded into trains to be taken to their deaths. As it happened One train ended up going the wrong place -- out of the country. Those people were actually taken To their Freedom. Guess who was on that train? The lady who'd been in hiding.
A person just never knows what doing the Right thing will end up accomplishing.

I had a dream last night, that I went back in time to kill Hitler. When I arrived in Germany, I opened a door, and walked into my elementary school as a child, dressed only in my tighty whities.

Why do my dreams have ADD? I wanted to see what would happen to Hitler.

Seriously though without the flux capacitor it's all hypothetical!!

Okay if I had a time machine and I could use it to shape history I don't think I would go back and kill someone. Even if its Hitler.
No one is born evil.
I would much prefer to go back and try to influence him for the better. Change the circumstances.
To kill to prevent more killing seems to me like a progression of the nastier side of human nature. History unfortunately has many tyrants. Becoming one I think would do little to stop it.

Good point -- Hitler was only one of many tyrants in history.

Wanting to go back and kill those who are going to kill many people -- Aren't we in effect 'playing God'? God allows both good and bad things -- and maybe - some of it is - to get Our attention. Maybe like parents who are Trying to get the attention of a rebellious child / teenager / Hoping that they will get the message and Stop Messing Around.
Killing a person is putting them in eternity Immediately. There Have been gangsters / murderers who Have found Jesus Christ as Savior while In Prison. They actually reach other inmates with Salvation.

I would not kill Hitler, maybe it would create a paradox that would end all life in the universe, maybe someone worse would take his place and more people would die, maybe by changing the past the future changes and all the people who would have lived never do so I end up killing more people. Violence is never the answer, violence only creates more violence. You cannot change the past, you can only effect the present and the future will be a product of that.

Kind of a silly discussion, full of theoreticals. And if we are speaking of killing Hitler - as to what we would or wouldn't do if we could 1) travel back in time and encounter him as a child, and 2) we could KNOW for certain what he was going to do unless we altered that otherwise certainty by killing him - but that's all a pointless and theoretical scenario. But to kill the child would be to prevent the man he would certainly become (if we could know that) - as considering one child/one man's life for the senseless death of millions (many who would die as children) - from our limited perspective, that should be a no-brainer.

But God DID have purpose in allowing Hitler to come to power, fully knew all the hideous things he would do to the world, as He is the one who installs all leaders. And yet, God hates what Hitler did. But only God has the wisdom to know how someone like a Hitler could be purposely incorporated into His overall and eternal plan. Of course, God could have had Hitler drown as a child in the bathtub. And so, being ALL-knowing, WHY didn't He? We can't know the answer to that. It's disturbing some of the people who come to power, and yet Scripture indicates that GOD is the one who puts every king and leader on thrones and in office.

Why not go back in time to when he was a child and encourage him to be a painter or something? Or be a leader who'd make progress? Violence rarely is the answer.

Philip wrote:Kind of a silly discussion, full of theoreticals. And if we are speaking of killing Hitler - as to what we would or wouldn't do if we could 1) travel back in time and encounter him as a child, and 2) we could KNOW for certain what he was going to do unless we altered that otherwise certainty by killing him - but that's all a pointless and theoretical scenario. But to kill the child would be to prevent the man he would certainly become (if we could know that) - as considering one child/one man's life for the senseless death of millions (many who would die as children) - from our limited perspective, that should be a no-brainer.

But God DID have purpose in allowing Hitler to come to power, fully knew all the hideous things he would do to the world, as He is the one who installs all leaders. And yet, God hates what Hitler did. But only God has the wisdom to know how someone like a Hitler could be purposely incorporated into His overall and eternal plan. Of course, God could have had Hitler drown as a child in the bathtub. And so, being ALL-knowing, WHY didn't He? We can't know the answer to that. It's disturbing some of the people who come to power, and yet Scripture indicates that GOD is the one who puts every king and leader on thrones and in office.

if we kill hitler, we would have to kill ourselves too.

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Philip wrote:Kind of a silly discussion, full of theoreticals. And if we are speaking of killing Hitler - as to what we would or wouldn't do if we could 1) travel back in time and encounter him as a child, and 2) we could KNOW for certain what he was going to do unless we altered that otherwise certainty by killing him - but that's all a pointless and theoretical scenario. But to kill the child would be to prevent the man he would certainly become (if we could know that) - as considering one child/one man's life for the senseless death of millions (many who would die as children) - from our limited perspective, that should be a no-brainer.

But God DID have purpose in allowing Hitler to come to power, fully knew all the hideous things he would do to the world, as He is the one who installs all leaders. And yet, God hates what Hitler did. But only God has the wisdom to know how someone like a Hitler could be purposely incorporated into His overall and eternal plan. Of course, God could have had Hitler drown as a child in the bathtub. And so, being ALL-knowing, WHY didn't He? We can't know the answer to that. It's disturbing some of the people who come to power, and yet Scripture indicates that GOD is the one who puts every king and leader on thrones and in office.

if we kill hitler, we would have to kill ourselves too.

Y tho?

RickD wrote:https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!top ... kPJjH2y9n8

Not surprising.