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Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:44 pm
by DBowling
Kurieuo wrote:I'd back Pence before McMullan, Pence seems good to me. Not sure Evan's CIA ties is a good thing given CIA is like the opposite of transparency right?
I think McMullan's CIA background is actually a strength.
Due to his CIA experience he has a solid understanding of foreign policy and the challenges that the US faces internationally. Especially the challenge of terrorism which he has dealt with first hand in the Middle East and North Africa.
BTW... I also like Pence and if he were the Republican candidate I'd vote for him in a minute.
Pence and McMullin are both principled conservatives who actually understand what conservatism means, so I could easily support either of them.
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:55 pm
by Kurieuo
DBowling wrote:Kurieuo wrote:I'd back Pence before McMullan, Pence seems good to me. Not sure Evan's CIA ties is a good thing given CIA is like the opposite of transparency right?
I think McMullan's CIA background is actually a strength.
Due to his CIA experience he has a solid understanding of foreign policy and the challenges that the US faces internationally. Especially the challenge of terrorism which he has dealt with first hand in the Middle East and North Africa.
BTW... I also like Pence and if he were the Republican candidate I'd vote for him in a minute.
Pence and McMullin are both principled conservatives who actually understand what conservatism means, so I could easily support either of them.
You know, the moment Trump formed his team and with Pence, he seemed to be more open to listening. Something I think Trump understands, is that behind the continued successfulness of businesses are a team of people and I feel he in many respect chose Pence because he wants someone who'll hold him accountable and keep even himself in check.
While, I'd jump on the Evans bandwagon against Trump's character, I see that Trump's team however, seems much more reasoned and substantial. I don't think one can say that about Hillary's team at all.
Evans is largely unknown, standing in his own light, and I'd back a team more than anyone one individual. Add in, no one really knows anything about him and there is I think a real danger there. People like new shiny looking objects, but often they're a bit of a let down.
Further, I distrust the CIA especially as they heavily deal with psychological warfare in other countries, especially those with terrorists who they often wheel and deal with. I find such extremely harmful to other nations around world. I'm sure he'd serve US interests well, but then in CIA terms that often means at the expense of many innocent people in other nations.
Bottom line is though, I don't think enough is known about Evans. Perhaps over the next few years more will be known and there will be more real substance to back than a new bright and shiny object. Otherwise, a vote for Trump, is a vote for Pence and the rest of the team. Whether Trump rolls over them once elected, possibly. That's a scary thought, but it would be an extremely foolish thing to do, especially if Trump is pro-Nationalistic.
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:14 pm
by abelcainsbrother
I think the Trump/Pence team is a good thing but I do not believe Pence could go up against the current liberal smear machine and win on his own.But he balances out Trump and they both need each other to win and succeed once in office.
One reason I've liked Trump from the beginning is because I knew he could win and I'm tired of seeing Republicans that can't win while Rome burns. I knew Trump's combative style would give him the best chance of winning and he offers something new,not the same ol thing in politics we usually get. I mean we get everything conservatives stand for in Trump,plus a totally new approach to politics.I don't believe in sticking to principles you are'nt getting while Rome burns.
One thing that makes Trump different and is a big plus is he is not a politician which we are so used to. So we cannot judge him from the same political system we usually do.Politicians try to sell themselves based on their accomplishments in office while Trump sells himself as a business man.It is a different approach than what we are use to but the American people like it.
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:56 pm
by edwardmurphy
Jac3510 wrote:edwardmurphy wrote:abelcainsbrother wrote:The birther issue started from Hillary's campaign against Obama.
Ok, just for the sake of argument let's imagine that that's true. Does despicable behavior by some Clinton aide justify Trump's decision to personally lead the Birther conspiracy movement for 5 years after Obama released his long form birth certificate? If not then shouldn't he apologize for his actions?
No, he shouldn't,
and you don't think he should, either. This is just a talking point for you--exactly the kind of idiocy I accuse you leftist dribble for.
No, I suppose he shouldn't. Politically there's no point, and if he just wants to do the right thing he should wait and do it on his deathbed. That way we'll think slightly better of him, but he won't have to deal with his shameful, borderline treasonous, behavior.
Jac3510 wrote:This is why I don't waste my time trying to have reasonable converastion with you, because it is stuff like this that shows that you aren't reasonable. You're just a partisan. You aren't even an ideologue. You just care about politics, damned be the truth or what's right.
[nonsense]. Sometimes I am, indeed, partisan, but that doesn't mean that every thought I have or word I speak is partisan. I'm as interested in what's true and right as you are, but I see the world through a different lens and interpret information differently. Dismissing my views as leftist gibberish is as dishonest and partisan as anything I've ever said. Besides that, calling me a leftist is your knee-jerk reaction, and it's based as much on the subtext that you attribute to me as on my sporadic partisan comments. I may be a kettle, but you're a pot so don't get cocky.
Jac3510 wrote:He would do well to continue to do what he has been doing the entire time: ignoring fools who don't care about truth and speaking to those people who are persuadable, who haven't drunk the proverbial kool-aid.
He's been spewing [nonsense] this entire time. Granted, he's also been ignoring fools who aren't persuaded by [nonsense], but I have no idea why you're trying to bring truth into the discussion.
BTW, the profanity filter blocks [nonsense], but not horse or chicken [poop]. I just find that interesting so I'm mentioning it.
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:52 pm
by abelcainsbrother
edwardmurphy wrote:Jac3510 wrote:edwardmurphy wrote:abelcainsbrother wrote:The birther issue started from Hillary's campaign against Obama.
Ok, just for the sake of argument let's imagine that that's true. Does despicable behavior by some Clinton aide justify Trump's decision to personally lead the Birther conspiracy movement for 5 years after Obama released his long form birth certificate? If not then shouldn't he apologize for his actions?
No, he shouldn't,
and you don't think he should, either. This is just a talking point for you--exactly the kind of idiocy I accuse you leftist dribble for.
No, I suppose he shouldn't. Politically there's no point, and if he just wants to do the right thing he should wait and do it on his deathbed. That way we'll think slightly better of him, but he won't have to deal with his shameful, borderline treasonous, behavior.
Jac3510 wrote:This is why I don't waste my time trying to have reasonable converastion with you, because it is stuff like this that shows that you aren't reasonable. You're just a partisan. You aren't even an ideologue. You just care about politics, damned be the truth or what's right.
[nonsense]. Sometimes I am, indeed, partisan, but that doesn't mean that every thought I have or word I speak is partisan. I'm as interested in what's true and right as you are, but I see the world through a different lens and interpret information differently. Dismissing my views as leftist gibberish is as dishonest and partisan as anything I've ever said. Besides that, calling me a leftist is your knee-jerk reaction, and it's based as much on the subtext that you attribute to me as on my sporadic partisan comments. I may be a kettle, but you're a pot so don't get cocky.
Jac3510 wrote:He would do well to continue to do what he has been doing the entire time: ignoring fools who don't care about truth and speaking to those people who are persuadable, who haven't drunk the proverbial kool-aid.
He's been spewing [nonsense] this entire time. Granted, he's also been ignoring fools who aren't persuaded by [nonsense], but I have no idea why you're trying to bring truth into the discussion.
BTW, the profanity filter blocks [nonsense], but not horse or chicken [poop]. I just find that interesting so I'm mentioning it.
The people you listen to who abandoned the US Constitution and sold out America in secret and those who support these people have no credibility to be trying to tell us what is right or wrong about Trump. These traitors are a disgrace and need to be prosecuted for treason.We go by the US Constitution not what globalists want!
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:52 pm
by ultimate777
abelcainsbrother wrote:DBowling wrote:
You are making the same 'mistake' that is regularly made by many in the Trump camp.
For some the mistake is genuine, and for some the mistake is deliberate misinformation.
The mistake at hand is the conflation of two separate issues.
1. Let's start with the legitimate accusation that can be made against the Clinton campaign in 2008. Some people in the Clinton campaign did perpetuate the narrative that Obama was a Muslim. Even though some Clinton campaign aides were fired for going down this path, there was an attempt by some in the Clinton campaign to paint Obama as someone who, due to his family foreign heritage and alleged Muslim persuasion, didn't share 'American' values.
This is a legitimate argument that can be made against the Clinton campaign in 2008.
2. This is a very different thing from the lie perpetuated by Trump that Obama was not born in the United States. And the recent follow up lie that Clinton started the birther movement. None of the links that either you or K have posted demonstrate that Clinton ever claimed 'or even insinuated' that Obama was not born in the United States.
Your links may show that some in the Clinton campaign briefly tried to paint Obama as a Muslim.
Your links may show that some in the Clinton campaign tried to make a political issue of Obama's foreign family heritage.
But as my many links clearly demonstrate, Trump's claim that Hillary started the birther movement, or ever claimed that Obama was not born in the US, is a bald faced lie that has been proven false by multiple sources.
A quick response to K,
The reason Trump's lies about the birther movement are so significant is that they are consistent with Trump's behavior during the Republican primaries and ever since. He was a serial liar during the Republican primaries, and he has continued that behavior in the General Election.
It's not just the liberal media that is calling out Trump on his lies. Trump also lied about Republicans and conservatives during the primaries, and Republicans and conservatives have called Trump out on his repeated lies too.
If a person is going to call out Clinton for her lies and dishonesty, then they should call out Trump for his lies and dishonesty as well...
...fair and balanced...
My .02
Your dislike for Trump blinds you DB and you ignored Kurieuo's link to spin it like you are about the birther issue. It seems you are expecting Trump to be perfect while overlooking the lies of the other candidates and them hiding things about their record. I do not expect any candidate to be perfect like you do and I will not defend Trump to be somebody perfect who is'nt.But Trump has been more honest and more scrutinized by the liberal news media and the Republican establishment you defend that abandoned the Constitution seeking out to globalism in secret.This is worse than anything you can pin on Trump.
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:24 am
by RickD
somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:11 am
by DBowling
RickD wrote:somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!
This might actually be a reasonably fair comparison...
... if ...
... you consider Mary Magdelene BEFORE she met Jesus...
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:25 pm
by ultimate777
RickD wrote:somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!
Someone with no understanding wrote:
"somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.[/quote]
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!"
It is a great comparison, extremely accurate, and no more biased than you.
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:53 pm
by RickD
ultimate777 wrote:RickD wrote:somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!
Someone with no understanding wrote:
"somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!"
It is a great comparison, extremely accurate, and no more biased than you.[/quote]
I know you are but what am I?
Re: Not fair to Trump
Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2016 12:07 am
by ultimate777
RickD wrote:ultimate777 wrote:RickD wrote:somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!
Someone with no understanding wrote:
"somebody who has no idea what he's talking about, wrote:
Comparing Hillary to the Donald is like comparing Mary Magdalene to Caligula.
Great comparison! Extremely accurate and unbiased!"
It is a great comparison, extremely accurate, and no more biased than you.
I know you are but what am I?
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The center of the hind end of a donkey, and you know it.