Evidence for God from Science

ochotseat wrote: Try not to be next time, okay?

hmpf

Mastermind wrote: Where did I say that?

First of all, the OT laws were given to the JEWS. This country isn't jewish and neither am I.

I asked you where did I say that "Christians should ignore the OT completely?" Because what you quoted isn't even close to this statement.

About two percent of this country's Jewish, and not every American is a Christian, so our laws shouldn't just be geared toward Christians.
You're suggesting that the OT laws have no significance today, but they do. Some of them have moral fiber, which we can learn from.

I think I'm gonna stone myself a sabbath worker. I never said the OT laws have no significance. I said they have no power. A law is composed of sin and conviction. Without conviction the law is finished and all that remains is sin.

Mastermind wrote: I asked you where did I say that "Christians should ignore the OT completely?" Because what you quoted isn't even close to this statement.

First, you stated that the OT laws have no bearing, since they were intended for Jews, which would infer that the 10 Commandments are meaningless and powerless.
Second, this country may be Christian in the sense that the overwhelming majority is Christian, but we still have religious freedom. The Constitution dictates that there should be no established religion whether it's Christianity or whatnot.

Mastermind wrote: I think I'm gonna stone myself a sabbath worker. I never said the OT laws have no significance. I said they have no power. A law is composed of sin and conviction. Without conviction the law is finished and all that remains is sin.

Laws are based on practical morality, which is why some OT laws are still applicable today.
And your death penalty post was wrong.

ochotseat wrote:

Mastermind wrote: I asked you where did I say that "Christians should ignore the OT completely?" Because what you quoted isn't even close to this statement.

First, you stated that the OT laws have no bearing, since they were intended for Jews, which would infer that the 10 Commandments are meaningless and powerless.

Thank you for clarifying my position for me... NOT! God, I'm talking to a brick.

Second, this country may be Christian in the sense that the overwhelming majority is Christian, but we still have religious freedom. The Constitution dictates that there should be no established religion whether it's Christianity or whatnot.

Hey, you're trying to stick Jewish law into it and you're telling me not to stick Christian law? I hope you enjoy having america turn into an atheist theocracy.

Laws are based on practical morality, which is why some OT laws are still applicable today.

You still can't tell the difference between sin and law.

And your death penalty post was wrong.

Well gee if you say so I'll go repent right now.

Mastermind wrote: The OT laws no longer apply August.

That means you feel the 10 Commandments no longer apply.
Those were your own words, so stop trying to deny what you said.

Mastermind wrote: God, I'm talking to a brick.

Find new friends then.

Mastermind wrote: Hey, you're trying to stick Jewish law into it and you're telling me not to stick Christian law?

Things like murder being a crime are universal, not just Jewish law.

Mastermind wrote: I hope you enjoy having america turn into an atheist theocracy.

It never will be unless God wills it. Our governmental guiding document is the Constitution as it should be.

Mastermind wrote: You still can't tell the difference between sin and law.
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That's why our laws were designed to legislate morality. Got it?

Mastermind wrote: Well gee if you say so I'll go repent right now.

That's why you haven't revisited the thread.

Okay, let me say this once and for all... I never said we needed more gun control laws. I said we need more gun control. Those indeed are different things. Control on guns. Not gun control laws. I don't know the laws out there right now, but I know that there is lack of control. I do know that the current laws are being broken, and that the breaking of those laws promotes incorrect use of guns. Therefore I support more enforcement of the current laws. I cannot say we need more laws because I do not know the current ones.

Got it?!?! Now please, don't put words in my mouth and try to attack me for it!

Ochotseat, I have a question for you: are you a legalist? It seems like just about everything you say comes back to legalism. Maybe that is part of why you're butting heads with so many people here.

kateliz wrote: Control on guns. Not gun control laws. I don't know the laws out there right now, but I know that there is lack of control. I do know that the current laws are being broken, and that the breaking of those laws promotes incorrect use of guns.

That's what I've been telling you, but you only tried to disagree for the sake of being devil's advocate.

What do you propose as gun control? You didn't expand on that. As of now, gun control isn't out of control, and you can't always make people do what they're supposed to do.

kateliz wrote: Ochotseat, I have a question for you: are you a legalist? It seems like just about everything you say comes back to legalism. Maybe that is part of why you're butting heads with so many people here.

You don't think a good Christian should aspire to be a legalist?

ochotseat wrote:

Mastermind wrote: The OT laws no longer apply August.

That means you feel the 10 Commandments no longer apply.
Those were your own words, so stop trying to deny what you said.

No, they do not. But Jesus repeated most of them anyway so it doesn't matter.

Things like murder being a crime are universal, not just Jewish law.

Tell Hitler that.

It never will be unless God wills it. Our governmental guiding document is the Constitution as it should be.

You a Calvinist too?

That's why our laws were designed to legislate morality. Got it?

No.

That's why you haven't revisited the thread.

I haven't revisited the thread because I forgot about it and because I don't come here very often anymore.

ocho,

no, i care about God's laws. i have less respect for the laws of man. YOU have no respect for the more important of the two.

Mastermind wrote:Tell Hitler that.

and Pol Pot, and Stalin, and Mao, and Manson, and...

Mastermind wrote: No, they do not. But Jesus repeated most of them anyway so it doesn't matter..

Most Christians respect them, so you may be alone in that thought.

Mastermind wrote: Tell Hitler that.

Unrelated point.

Mastermind wrote: You a Calvinist too?

You a Catholic too?

Mastermind wrote: No.

Read again.

Mastermind wrote: I haven't revisited the thread because I forgot about it and because I don't come here very often anymore.

Yet, you post daily.

Prodigal Son wrote: ocho,
no, i care about God's laws.
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Our laws are based on God's laws, so stop making sad excuses.

Prodigal Son wrote: i have less respect for the laws of man.
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Why aren't you breaking our laws then? Too scared?

Prodigal Son wrote: YOU have no respect for the more important of the two.

Yawn.
We are a republic, not a theocracy modeled after your personal beliefs.

ochotseat wrote:

Mastermind wrote: No, they do not. But Jesus repeated most of them anyway so it doesn't matter..

Most Christians respect them, so you may be alone in that thought.

Most Christians go to church on Sunday rather than the Sabbath so no.

Unrelated point.

Very related. You said murder is universally wrong. It isn't.

You a Catholic too?

What does this have to do with my question? And no, I'm not.

Read again.

Our laws legislate abortion. That is not God's will.

Yet, you post daily.

No, I don't...

Mastermind wrote: Most Christians go to church on Sunday rather than the Sabbath so no.
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You're now claiming that most Christians don't care about the 10 Commandments?

Mastermind wrote: Very related. You said murder is universally wrong. It isn't.
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You don't seem to know the difference between murdering and killing.

Mastermind wrote: What does this have to do with my question? And no, I'm not.
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If you think that way, then don't ask if I believe in Protestant doctrine.

Mastermind wrote: Our laws legislate abortion. That is not God's will.
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Depends how developed the unborn baby is and if the mother's life is in danger.

Mastermind wrote: No, I don't...

Don't lie. We've all seen it.

ocho:

i'm not making any excuses, ocho. nor do i pretend that our society could ever revolve around my ideals.

i've been thinking about why i dislike the death penalty so much. some reasons: it is premeditated. like murder. like revenge. it's different than self-defense (a more immediate retaliation); or a "crime of passion." it is loaded with malice and a lack of compassion. there is no love in it whatsoever.

if you are going to attack me, i'd prefer you didn't answer.

Prodigal Son wrote:ocho:

i'm not making any excuses, ocho. nor do i pretend that our society could ever revolve around my ideals.

i've been thinking about why i dislike the death penalty so much. some reasons: it is premeditated. like murder. like revenge. it's different than self-defense (a more immediate retaliation); or a "crime of passion." it is loaded with malice and a lack of compassion. there is no love in it whatsoever.

if you are going to attack me, i'd prefer you didn't answer.

You need to see the death penalty thread again to know that the death penalty's lawful and acceptable.