People have Always been saved either by looking Towards the cross -- by faith -- or looking Back at the cross by faith or living at the time Of the cross and acknowledging Christ while He was here.jpbg33 wrote:no one was saved back then there sins were just road back
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And that's where you deny the gospel. The Bible says no such thing. In fact, it says the opposite, that some who believe won't bear fruit (so cf John 12:42). It says that if you believe, you have eternal life. Period. (John 6:47) It makes no distinction between true and false faith. You make that distinction to deny what the Bible actually says. For you, it's not faith alone, but rather faith plus what you call good fruit, which is little more than morality. For you, a person is saved by being good and then fixing Jesus' name over their works. For you, salvation is by works, and you deny that by saying that your good works aren't yours but the Holy Spirit's.jpbg33 wrote:We both know the bible says that just because you say you believe doesn't mean you believe.
It's a lie. A literally damnable lie. It is a lie that will damn people to Hell (see Matt 7:21-23). Jesus says that everyone who believes has everlasting life. You say NOT everyone who believes, but only those who believe and live a good life. That means you're calling Jesus a liar. Repent, my friend. Believe Jesus rather than your own heresy.
And beyond that, thank you for so clearly demonstrating to others what is so wrong with your theology and why it is so dangerous to read the Bible the way you do. It's never good to see heresy. It is good to see it exposed, though, and you've done an adequate job of that.
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
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MickD Yes if you believe then you are saved but how do you know you believe
crochet1949 Yes that is how you get saved but how do you know you believed in your heart, if you didn't then you really didn't get saved. I can go to the alter and confess my sin and still not believe.
My question to both of you is how do you know you believed.
MickD you are saying that if I believe then I am saved yes you are right but how do you know you believe. You may be one that doesn't believe and just think they believe. It is through Jesus but we can know we are saved according to the bible.
Just knowing that people who believe are going to heaven doesn't have anything to with me knowing if I believe or not.
Jac3510 you lie the bible dose say we can know if we are saved or not. you may not bear fruit but Jesus said you will not bear bad fruit
crochet1949 Yes that is how you get saved but how do you know you believed in your heart, if you didn't then you really didn't get saved. I can go to the alter and confess my sin and still not believe.
My question to both of you is how do you know you believed.
MickD you are saying that if I believe then I am saved yes you are right but how do you know you believe. You may be one that doesn't believe and just think they believe. It is through Jesus but we can know we are saved according to the bible.
Just knowing that people who believe are going to heaven doesn't have anything to with me knowing if I believe or not.
Jac3510 you lie the bible dose say we can know if we are saved or not. you may not bear fruit but Jesus said you will not bear bad fruit
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To believe in Christ, is to trust in Christ for salvation.
I trust in Christ for salvation. How do I know I trust Christ for salvation? Because I believe in who he says he is. I believe his work is efficacious for my salvation. I just have to trust in him.
Do you trust in Christ for salvation? Have you stopped trying to be good in order to be saved? Have you just stopped doing anything for salvation, and just trusted in what Christ has already done?
I trust in Christ for salvation. How do I know I trust Christ for salvation? Because I believe in who he says he is. I believe his work is efficacious for my salvation. I just have to trust in him.
Do you trust in Christ for salvation? Have you stopped trying to be good in order to be saved? Have you just stopped doing anything for salvation, and just trusted in what Christ has already done?
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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I have but, how do you know you have. You still have not showed me how you know you have. You could still just think you have done all of that. that is not knowing. The bible says we can know that our belief is real and not us just thinking we it is real.
Someone could do all that y'all said to do and think they believe but still not be saved . How dose the bible say we know we believe.
Someone could do all that y'all said to do and think they believe but still not be saved . How dose the bible say we know we believe.
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I just told you how I know I have. Read my last post.jpbg33 wrote:I have but, how do you know you have. You still have not showed me how you know you have. You could still just think you have done all of that. that is not knowing. The bible says we can know that our belief is real and not us just thinking we it is real.
Someone could do all that y'all said to do and think they believe but still not be saved . How dose the bible say we know we believe.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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I can see that you are very religious but have no faith in God.jpbg33 wrote:no one was saved back then there sins were just road back
Allow me to quote Jac3150:
"You don't know what you're talking about. "
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I know that all you have to do is believe.
You said osao only applies to though that believe, and that it doesn't to though that don't believe
that doesn't answer my question how do you know that you believe.
just because it applies to those who believe doesn't mean you believe how do you know you believe.
You said osao only applies to though that believe, and that it doesn't to though that don't believe
that doesn't answer my question how do you know that you believe.
just because it applies to those who believe doesn't mean you believe how do you know you believe.
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The irony . . .RickD wrote:I just told you how I know I have. Read my last post.jpbg33 wrote:I have but, how do you know you have. You still have not showed me how you know you have. You could still just think you have done all of that. that is not knowing. The bible says we can know that our belief is real and not us just thinking we it is real.
Someone could do all that y'all said to do and think they believe but still not be saved . How dose the bible say we know we believe.
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
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The irony is y'all will not answer the question.
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people if you are reading this you can know you believe and more then believe that you believe
What these people are not wonting to admit is that the bible dose tell you that we can know that we are saved just look for your selves.
and it is not just us believing we believe
What these people are not wonting to admit is that the bible dose tell you that we can know that we are saved just look for your selves.
and it is not just us believing we believe
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Ok, I'll bite. What does the Bible say about telling us that we know we are saved?jpbg33 wrote:people if you are reading this you can know you believe and more then believe that you believe
What these people are not wonting to admit is that the bible dose tell you that we can know that we are saved just look for your selves.
and it is not just us believing we believe
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
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Some more good reading....There are over 10,000 (TEN THOUSAND+) posts on OSAS just under this video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1bF3TXB1Y
I like this one......
(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.
(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns.
We have both the advocate and the judge as our Savior.
I like this one......
(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.
(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns.
We have both the advocate and the judge as our Savior.
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BigHamster wrote:There are over 10,000 (TEN THOUSAND+) posts on OSAS just under this video-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz1bF3TXB1Y
I like this one......
(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.
(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns.
We have both the advocate and the judge as our Savior.
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Its getting a bit stressful reading all those posts on youtube. I don't think there is any moderation and so people are engaged in full-scale-doctrinal-war. There is about a 50/50 split on OSAS for and against and each side accusing the other of heresy, demonic posting, misinterpreting the bible, etc..
And I thought this forum was a little heated. I better get back to it....
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"If anyone will be justified by his works, he has no Faith in Jesus, because Jesus did the Work. Like that Crowd that will come to Jesus and say Lord! Lord! We have done wonderful Works in your Name.
Jesus answers: 'I NEVER KNEW YOU.' "
And I thought this forum was a little heated. I better get back to it....
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"If anyone will be justified by his works, he has no Faith in Jesus, because Jesus did the Work. Like that Crowd that will come to Jesus and say Lord! Lord! We have done wonderful Works in your Name.
Jesus answers: 'I NEVER KNEW YOU.' "