crochet1949 wrote:Well -- yes, the power of the Highest working Through the Holy Spirit. "for that which is conceived in her Is of the Holy Spirit'."
yes, it is His power that caused her to conceive. again, the HS is the power God has to do the things He does.
Nope. Still not understanding.
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?
And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?
the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.
some things are better left unsaid, which i generally realize after i have said them
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But He could Not be with each individual believer all the time. So the Son had done His 'job' and was returning to the Godhead so that the Holy Spirit could continue to do His job -- in the Old Testament, He would come and go from people. But in the New Testament -- He, the Holy Spirit, would be permanently indwelling each believer.
So -- the Holy Spirit was not Given - He came to fulfill his given responsibility in the Godhead.
The terminology you used, saying the Holy Spirit is given, is perfectly acceptable.
Here's some examples from scripture, talking about The Holy Spirit being given: https://www.openbible.info/topics/holy_spirit
John 5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
-Edward R Murrow
St. Richard the Sarcastic--The Patron Saint of Irony
crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?
And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?
the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.
So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?
Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.
crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?
And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?
the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.
So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?
what does this have to do with the subject?
some things are better left unsaid, which i generally realize after i have said them
crochet1949 wrote:I'm thinking my terminology was wrong. Lets' try 'this' -- Jesus Christ had to ascend back up to the Father in heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come to indwell believers. Jesus Christ could only be one place at a time -- in His human form -- as the Son -- teaching a group or individually. But He could Not be with each individual believer all the time. So the Son had done His 'job' and was returning to the Godhead so that the Holy Spirit could continue to do His job -- in the Old Testament, He would come and go from people. But in the New Testament -- He, the Holy Spirit, would be permanently indwelling each believer.
So -- the Holy Spirit was not Given - He came to fulfill his given responsibility in the Godhead.
Is This making sense?
actually, Christ did not have to ascend first, there are several instances where the hs was given to believers before Christ ascended.
some things are better left unsaid, which i generally realize after i have said them
crochet1949 wrote:Then -- why are people baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son and the Holy Spirit?
And, why is the Holy Spirit given to believers?
the holy spirit is given to believers. if it were a person or being within the Godhead, it would not be given, it would come to them of its own accord.
So my wife wasn't given to me in marriage?
what does this have to do with the subject?
*shrug* I think it's obvious. If you don't, fine.
Proinsias wrote:I don't think you are hearing me. Preference for ice cream is a moral issue
And that, brothers and sisters, is the kind of foolishness you get people who insist on denying biblical theism. A good illustration of any as the length people will go to avoid acknowledging basic truths.
