Evidence for God from Science

zoegirl wrote:

jenwat3 wrote:Agreed. He said it "was very good". Answer one question for me, though. How long did it take for God to create man, in your opinion?

can you be more specific? What are you asking. In what "day" did He create man and woman?

how many years? Days? did it take? Dunno... Can you narrow down what you are asking for?

(btw, might get the answer tomorrow....I really should be asleep right now....I ahev GOT to go to bed)

jenwat3 wrote:Again, how long, in your opinion, did it take God to create man?

ok. this bible thing is something i've sought out for ten years, all of my adult life. and i mean dilligently. i talk to God everyday. now, you said the bible is how you know Him. i have to say that if i only read the bible and didnt seek communion and oneness with Him ouside of just reading the word, i wouldnt know HIm at all. i know God because of my walk with him and my seeking to be more like Him, my seeking to live in His will, and all of that, for me, comes from prayer, meditation, communion and fellowship. the bible has never, no matter how hard i've tried (and i cant stress enough how HARD i have tried!!!!) has never been fulfilling to me. it's always raised more questions than answers. i've begged God for peace on this issue, and i've really found it (i think) which is why i 'm asking if it's ok to just not really have all that much emphasis on a holy text but rather spend your time on the line directly with the man.

that being said, i'm studying the word in Hebrew now, as to circumvent any rhedoric. i dont know how else to, and i cant express what hard work this has been. i find that if anything the pentatuech (sp?) seems to be the most untainted--

what is religion? it's semantics made up by some people as to how they think people how to work. what is salvation? to me it is walking with Thee and trying to be like Thee, under His blessing because we accept Him as the Almighty and our Saviour. i have been to about 50 churches (literally) trying to find

the sleep of reason wrote:

jenwat3 wrote:Again, how long, in your opinion, did it take God to create man?

in my opinion, based on the literal, mechanical translation from hebrew, i dont know. what are you asking? how long from what starting point?

the sleep of reason wrote:

zoegirl wrote:

jenwat3 wrote:All I'm saying here is that God created man. From the dust. He did not create monkeys or what have you, and then let them evolve into man.

Ah, but what does the Hebrew word for dust imply?

Also I agree with you with regards to the word "let". I don't think anything that happened was simply "allowed" to happen. I think Genesis IS very clear that HOWEVER God did it, He did it intentionally, willfully, and He accomplished what He wanted to accomplish.

God simply didn't just add some ignrediets into some grand mixing bowl and sit back and say "wow, look what happened!"

so then do we not have free will?

do bees not pollinate flowers? doesnt the world work in a systematic way? isnt that a group of ingredients working together on their own?
if not, why then do we pray? if we 're not in some way controlling things here, how could God intervien after prayer?
He would already be running things, so that would render prayer useless, no?

i think God did step back and let us do our own thing. how else could adam have sinned?

zoegirl wrote:

ok. this bible thing is something i've sought out for ten years, all of my adult life. and i mean dilligently. i talk to God everyday. now, you said the bible is how you know Him. i have to say that if i only read the bible and didnt seek communion and oneness with Him ouside of just reading the word, i wouldnt know HIm at all. i know God because of my walk with him and my seeking to be more like Him, my seeking to live in His will, and all of that, for me, comes from prayer, meditation, communion and fellowship. the bible has never, no matter how hard i've tried (and i cant stress enough how HARD i have tried!!!!) has never been fulfilling to me. it's always raised more questions than answers. i've begged God for peace on this issue, and i've really found it (i think) which is why i 'm asking if it's ok to just not really have all that much emphasis on a holy text but rather spend your time on the line directly with the man.

that being said, i'm studying the word in Hebrew now, as to circumvent any rhedoric. i dont know how else to, and i cant express what hard work this has been. i find that if anything the pentatuech (sp?) seems to be the most untainted--

what is religion? it's semantics made up by some people as to how they think people how to work. what is salvation? to me it is walking with Thee and trying to be like Thee, under His blessing because we accept Him as the Almighty and our Saviour. i have been to about 50 churches (literally) trying to find

Ah, ok,

(see, it's amazing how much confusion can be cleared up by asking for clarifiaction....that's actually not directed at you, just a reflection )

There is a LOT of history in the development of the evolutionary theory with atheist philosophy that contributed to the resistance of Christians.

I feel for you, because I do sense your struggle. I would correct one thing. I said how can you really have a walk with Him without discovering who He is. And without that knowledge I wonder if your "walk" suffers. I will pray for you with regards to this.

I have noticed that al lot of what you have said regarding the vailidity of scripture has more to do with misconceptions (flood would be a good example) than true worries about scripture.

May I suggest that you seek out some good literature on the subject (depsite your views on pro-bible websites, you shouldn't dismiss them before seeking them and reading them! )

Have you read "Mere Christianity" by C S Lewis? If you are wanting a book that delved simply into apologetics, this would be a good book for you. Nice book for you before classes start again.

jenwat3 wrote:From the start of creation, how long? Days, years?

jenwat3 wrote:It states that He created man on the 6th day. (Which I'm sure you already knew this). So how do we know He didn't mean 6 thousand years? For one, He created plants on the 3rd day, and then on the 4th day He created the sun and moon. If it had been an actual 1000 years between the two, then the plants could not have survived! Nothing on earth can live that long without the sun. So therefore it had to be a literal "day". And since man was created on the 6th day, there would have been no time for him to evolve from monkeys, or anything else.

David Blacklock wrote:According to a recent poll, 68% of Republicans don't believe in evolution. On the other hand only 5% of monkeys believe in Republicans.

DB

jenwat3 wrote:This I agree with to an extent. I think there is actually a time gap from Genesis 1:1 to 1:2. The verse "was without form and void" may actually mean "BECAME without form and void". So there may have been a time gap. My take on this is that God created the earth and angels. Then Satan rebelled and in the battle the earth was destroyed and became "without form". So after God subdued Satan, He recreated the earth, in an actual weeks' time.