cslewislover wrote:qqMOARpewpew wrote:I do believe there is a truth, I just don't believe you or I know it. My signature says: You don't look out there for god, something in the sky, you look in you. It says that for a reason. I don't believe in a creator, I believe what you call god is in the heart of all (wo)men.
Your idea doesn't make sense though. If there is truth, but we can't really know it, then there's no reason to believe what you say. It may or may not be true, what you say, since we can't know truth.
Again, you don't seem to think about what people say. I said NOTHING of my own belief about the leaf, I was repeating what you wrote, so I thought. I was questioning you, not stating my own belief. If you don't know how to explain your beliefs, then you should take a look at them more, or maybe just give it up. Lol. If nothing is random, then there's meaning behind it. If there is meaning, there is purpose. Random is nonsystematic, nonrandom is systematic. If you are saying that the leaf falls not simply because it's a dead part of the tree (like our skin or hair), but for some other nonrandom reason, then what? Please explain more - how you have come to this conclusion. I'm not saying what I think or believe or feel about it - I'm wondering why you make this conclusion. And taking it a step farther, as a conscious being who made the observation and made a conclusion (which in itself has "meaning"), what of that? Why do you even make conclusions? What would be the point of being able to do that?
It may not make sense to you, but it works for me.
"Your last paragraph doesn't seem to make any sense. Nothing is random . . I guess the alien controls that??? The leaf falling is NOT random, yet it has no meaning . . ."
You said that you didn't understand it, in fact I said nothing of your belief about the leaf so I have no idea what YOU'RE talking about.
Now as most words have many different definitions I figured I'd grab the ones I mean when I was talking about the leaf metaphor.
Random : Having no specific pattern (so not random things follow a pattern, as in the leaf falls because of gravity, glides because it is light and shaped like a sail and catches any wind)
Meaning: Intent (No intent would simply mean the lead didn't intend to fall in that specific spot or in a specific way)
Why do you even make conclusions? What would be the point of being able to do that?
As for this, if animals could not come to a decision they wouldn't decide to run or not, or eat, or sleep, or do anything. It would be impossible for higher life to function without decision making. Take a pack of wolves, if they don't decide which deer they are going to go for, they probably wont eat. And for early man, deciding when to strike a woolly mammoth could mean death, no meal for a month, or dinner on the table.
