Evidence for God from Science

zoegirl wrote:I think the entire discussion of climate has unfortunately been hijacked by a political philosophy, to the point that most people don't even want to consider it because they view that any agreement with it as agreement with the political agenda. It's an unfortunate relationship that most Christians are wary of, but I would suggest that such an important mandate by God to be proper and wise stewards of His creation means that we must try at all costs to examine whether there is any merit to the concerns about climate change.

If, and yes there are some good questions on either side, but IF there are any pieces of evidence that warrants concern, then we, of all people, should be at the forefront of debate and willingness to take charge. It's always a bit shameful to me to see those who are dismissive of climate change also vociferously defend their right be to wasteful, proudly declaring there willingness to drive inefficient cars or brag about deforestation or worse, declaring that "God's creation can handle it". It's that sort of attitude that led to the dustbowls in the early 1900's. On the other hand, it is also shameful to see good stewardship hijacked by a political agenda. I don't like it when this issue becomes so polarized. I am proud to say I am conservative and vote that way, but I am also happy to say that I wish we were more conscious and proactive about environmental issues. (and I am frustrated that I feel condemned by conservatives...I once participated in a discussion in a conservative church on this matter and I felt condemned when I expressed support and concern for the issue). It's become SO politicized that I end feeling that I can trust neither side, and that's unfortunate.

As Christians we should be leading the way in wise stewardship and wise council.

DannyM wrote:I just hope you realise that humankind cannot be held culpable for climate variability.

Gman wrote:

DannyM wrote:I just hope you realise that humankind cannot be held culpable for climate variability.

Danny I believe the argument is that humankind is not held as the main culprit of global warming but merely as a contributor.. What percentage no one really knows. If so, perhaps we should watch how we perform on our planet. Not that we are bad, but simply need to watch our ways.. That's about it..

Sounds reasonable?

DannyM wrote:

Gman wrote:

DannyM wrote:I just hope you realise that humankind cannot be held culpable for climate variability.

Danny I believe the argument is that humankind is not held as the main culprit of global warming but merely as a contributor.. What percentage no one really knows. If so, perhaps we should watch how we perform on our planet. Not that we are bad, but simply need to watch our ways.. That's about it..

Sounds reasonable?

This is my point, Gman, humankind has contributed diddly squat to so-called 'global warming'. Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, utterly irrelevant to this non-problem of 'global warming'. Beides, can you or anyone else show that a warmer climate would produce negative impacts overall? What is it about a warmer period of climate that so frightens people?

We simply have a non-issue on our hands.

Gman wrote: Danny, Rich has produced a great article on that question.. When the earth overheats it throws the earth out of it's natural rhythm. Is man partly guilty of it? Maybe yes, maybe no..

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... rming.html

I understand what you are saying, and it has turned the debate into a political storm.. The bottom line is that global warming is still a huge question mark.. To choose any position too strongly right now would not be wise.. We still need years and years of data to make any solid points.. Therefore, for me anyways, I'm careful how I handle the topic and do my best to thwart the problem (conserve).

That's about all I got to say about it...

DannyM wrote:

Gman wrote: Danny, Rich has produced a great article on that question.. When the earth overheats it throws the earth out of it's natural rhythm. Is man partly guilty of it? Maybe yes, maybe no..

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetic ... rming.html

I understand what you are saying, and it has turned the debate into a political storm.. The bottom line is that global warming is still a huge question mark.. To choose any position too strongly right now would not be wise.. We still need years and years of data to make any solid points.. Therefore, for me anyways, I'm careful how I handle the topic and do my best to thwart the problem (conserve).

That's about all I got to say about it...

Gman, I appreciate your non-hyperbolic, non-cataclysmic approach. And Rich, true to form, has produced an good, indepth piece which with a lot more time I'll look at and try to give an adequate opinion on.

Hope you're keeping well, my brother.

rcbako wrote:Man played a big part in climate change. Science and bible teachings supports others explanation. Nature only response to the inputs made by man.

As for if Carbon Dioxide contributes to climate change: have you ever seen the planet Venus and what its atmosphere is made up of? It's atmosphere is mostly Carbon Dioxide. As a result, it is also far hotter than the planet Mercury despite being much further from the Sun. It is a clear visible example of what happens during a runaway greenhouse effect, the thing that human beings are creating through the pollution of greenhouse gases.