Re: Atheism: Belief or Position?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:38 am
So I guess your question has been answered. Atheism is a belief. A belief that there is no God.
Seems simple enough?
Seems simple enough?
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands." (Psalm 19:1)
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Wow? Science has ideas. Science deals with the physical. Ideas are metaphysical. Maybe you should brush up on the definition of science.Lunalle wrote:These are not my ideas, these are the ideas of science.
You are talking about ideas and truth. That is very much philosophy. Otherwise, what is the scientific process for measuring ideas and truth?These are not my ideas, these are the ideas of science. These ideas have been established to help us determine what is true, and what is not. These are ideas of how we think. They are also more than ideas, they are rules. Go ahead and challenge them, if that is what you want to do. However, that is a far step back from where we are now. That is very much a topic of philosophy, which doesn't belong here.
No, the burden of proof always lies on the person making a claim. There's no burden of proof for having an opinion, or even speaking your opinion.PaulSacramento wrote:The burden of proof always lies on the person making a comment, regardless of the comment.
If I tell a person that has never seen snow that snow exists, then I have to prove it and that is that.
If a person tells me, because they have never seen a black swan, that black swans do NOT exist, then they have to prove that also.
The best that person can say ( in regards to the black swan) is that, personally, they have never seen one and, until they do, they don't believe they exist.
In short, the "agnostic" position.
Fair enough.Lunalle wrote:No, the burden of proof always lies on the person making a claim. There's no burden of proof for having an opinion, or even speaking your opinion.PaulSacramento wrote:The burden of proof always lies on the person making a comment, regardless of the comment.
If I tell a person that has never seen snow that snow exists, then I have to prove it and that is that.
If a person tells me, because they have never seen a black swan, that black swans do NOT exist, then they have to prove that also.
The best that person can say ( in regards to the black swan) is that, personally, they have never seen one and, until they do, they don't believe they exist.
In short, the "agnostic" position.
I'm so happy you agree. I've been bashing my head off my desk all day long. You're the first person to actually agree with me on that.PaulSacramento wrote: Fair enough. If all ones has and all one is expressing is an opinion, then, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Lunalle wrote:I'm so happy you agree. I've been bashing my head off my desk all day long. You're the first person to actually agree with me on that.PaulSacramento wrote: Fair enough. If all ones has and all one is expressing is an opinion, then, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Not for your opinions, nope. You do if you claim something is true though.Danieltwotwenty wrote:So we no longer have to provide you proof.
This just sounds like a game of semantics, if I say my opinion that God is real then really I am saying I believe it is true. Every truth becomes an opinion if we look at it in the way of opinion, everything is subjected to the individual's opinion.Lunalle wrote:Not for your opinions, nope. You do if you claim something is true though.Danieltwotwenty wrote:So we no longer have to provide you proof.
I see what you're saying Dan, but I think it is a very important distinction. If you honestly just throw out your opinion, as such, there is very little pressure for anyone to agree with you. If you claim something is true, then there is a much higher pressure for others agreeing with you. What we're concerned about, is the pressure on others to agree. Which is why we say you have a "burden of proof" if you are pressuring others to agree with you.Danieltwotwenty wrote:This just sounds like a game of semantics, if I say my opinion that God is real then really I am saying I believe it is true. Every truth becomes an opinion if we look at it in the way of opinion, everything is subjected to the individual's opinion. It's a bit of a cop out really if everyone claims it's just my opinion, there is little point in even discussing anything anymore.
I was reading your post and then noticed your signature. Is that what is in you signature just an opinion or a claim? It sounds like a claim.Lunalle wrote:I see what you're saying Dan, but I think it is a very important distinction. If you honestly just throw out your opinion, as such, there is very little pressure for anyone to agree with you. If you claim something is true, then there is a much higher pressure for others agreeing with you. What we're concerned about, is the pressure on others to agree. Which is why we say you have a "burden of proof" if you are pressuring others to agree with you.Danieltwotwenty wrote:This just sounds like a game of semantics, if I say my opinion that God is real then really I am saying I believe it is true. Every truth becomes an opinion if we look at it in the way of opinion, everything is subjected to the individual's opinion. It's a bit of a cop out really if everyone claims it's just my opinion, there is little point in even discussing anything anymore.
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Good catch!1over137 wrote:I was reading your post and then noticed your signature. Is that what is in you signature just an opinion or a claim? It sounds like a claim.
They both mean the same thing. If one disbelieves in God, then one believes there is no God. Therefore atheism is a belief.1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.