Evidence for God from Science

Kenny wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2014 7:23 pm He didn’t even tell his followers to write anything down? Instead years after Jesus was killed, various people began to write stories about Jesus and of course all the stories were not on one accord, so many years later other men (cannon) decided/voted on which stories were accurate and which ones were not and they used the ones they decided were good to be a part of the Bible. But if Jesus had written the bible, there would be no voting, guessing, deciding, by flawed men; God would have done the deciding. So what do you think the reason is?

Ken

Blessed wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:16 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2014 7:23 pm He didn’t even tell his followers to write anything down? Instead years after Jesus was killed, various people began to write stories about Jesus and of course all the stories were not on one accord, so many years later other men (cannon) decided/voted on which stories were accurate and which ones were not and they used the ones they decided were good to be a part of the Bible. But if Jesus had written the bible, there would be no voting, guessing, deciding, by flawed men; God would have done the deciding. So what do you think the reason is?

Ken

Christianity was persecuted. I'm not sure how this would've effected books made during Jesus's time or shortly after. That "stories" about Jesus were written years after Jesus's death has always been a hearsay and rumor but I've never seen any concrete evidence specifically proving the earliest available books were the FIRST books.

RickD wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:23 am

Blessed wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:16 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2014 7:23 pm He didn’t even tell his followers to write anything down? Instead years after Jesus was killed, various people began to write stories about Jesus and of course all the stories were not on one accord, so many years later other men (cannon) decided/voted on which stories were accurate and which ones were not and they used the ones they decided were good to be a part of the Bible. But if Jesus had written the bible, there would be no voting, guessing, deciding, by flawed men; God would have done the deciding. So what do you think the reason is?

Ken

Christianity was persecuted. I'm not sure how this would've effected books made during Jesus's time or shortly after. That "stories" about Jesus were written years after Jesus's death has always been a hearsay and rumor but I've never seen any concrete evidence specifically proving the earliest available books were the FIRST books.

Good point Kenny. If Jesus had physically written a book or books of the Bible, an autobiography so to speak, there would be no problems at all. Nobody would deny that Jesus wrote it. Nobody would deny Jesus existed. Nobody would deny that Jesus is God.

That would've been so much different than the way it is now!

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:44 am

RickD wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:23 am

Blessed wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:16 am

Kenny wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2014 7:23 pm He didn’t even tell his followers to write anything down? Instead years after Jesus was killed, various people began to write stories about Jesus and of course all the stories were not on one accord, so many years later other men (cannon) decided/voted on which stories were accurate and which ones were not and they used the ones they decided were good to be a part of the Bible. But if Jesus had written the bible, there would be no voting, guessing, deciding, by flawed men; God would have done the deciding. So what do you think the reason is?

Ken

Christianity was persecuted. I'm not sure how this would've effected books made during Jesus's time or shortly after. That "stories" about Jesus were written years after Jesus's death has always been a hearsay and rumor but I've never seen any concrete evidence specifically proving the earliest available books were the FIRST books.

Good point Kenny. If Jesus had physically written a book or books of the Bible, an autobiography so to speak, there would be no problems at all. Nobody would deny that Jesus wrote it. Nobody would deny Jesus existed. Nobody would deny that Jesus is God.

That would've been so much different than the way it is now!

I don’t see how one can deny that Jesus existed or that he’s God.
And basicallly it is him who wrote the Bible inspiring it through his spirit. Hence the Word of God.. is Jesus.
For me it’s very real. The proof is there. Those who don’t see it just don’t want to.

Byblos wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 9:59 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:29 am

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 am The Holy Spirit inspired the whole bible. Just like the prophets it’s all God I’m the doing. The body is just used for the mouth or hands in this case.

To what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.

The inspiration and inerrancy of scripture is absolute. What is contested is the interpretation.

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:25 am

Byblos wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 9:59 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:29 am

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 am The Holy Spirit inspired the whole bible. Just like the prophets it’s all God I’m the doing. The body is just used for the mouth or hands in this case.

To what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.

The inspiration and inerrancy of scripture is absolute. What is contested is the interpretation.

Some believe that the writers were inspired to write by the HS BUT that the writers had autonomy on HOW to write ( but now WHAT to write).
Some believe that the HS showed the writers what to write ( divine revelation).
Some believe that the HS "took over" the writers and they ( the writers) were simply the "vessel" ( the pen and ink if you will).
Some believe that the ONLY the parts that explicitly say they are inspired ( parts that say, " The Lord said...").
And so forth.

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 8:56 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:25 am

Byblos wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 9:59 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:29 am

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 am The Holy Spirit inspired the whole bible. Just like the prophets it’s all God I’m the doing. The body is just used for the mouth or hands in this case.

To what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.

The inspiration and inerrancy of scripture is absolute. What is contested is the interpretation.

Some believe that the writers were inspired to write by the HS BUT that the writers had autonomy on HOW to write ( but now WHAT to write).
Some believe that the HS showed the writers what to write ( divine revelation).
Some believe that the HS "took over" the writers and they ( the writers) were simply the "vessel" ( the pen and ink if you will).
Some believe that the ONLY the parts that explicitly say they are inspired ( parts that say, " The Lord said...").
And so forth.

I think it’s well established that God as only used and still using only people who are “willing vessels”.

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:12 am

mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 8:56 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:25 am

Byblos wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 9:59 am

PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 8:29 am

To what degree and exactly what it means that the HS inspired the writers of the various books, poems, songs and letters that make up the bible, is hotly contested.

The inspiration and inerrancy of scripture is absolute. What is contested is the interpretation.

Some believe that the writers were inspired to write by the HS BUT that the writers had autonomy on HOW to write ( but now WHAT to write).
Some believe that the HS showed the writers what to write ( divine revelation).
Some believe that the HS "took over" the writers and they ( the writers) were simply the "vessel" ( the pen and ink if you will).
Some believe that the ONLY the parts that explicitly say they are inspired ( parts that say, " The Lord said...").
And so forth.

I think it’s well established that God as only used and still using only people who are “willing vessels”.

Of course, God never overrules free will.
What is debated is the degree of influence of the HS.

Kurieuo wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 6:22 am The question really is, why would Jesus write anything down? How many Rabbis were there? How many Scribes? And those Jesus knew he was disgusted by, and such revolted against Him and had Him crucified.

At the end of the day, all things in retrospect, was there a reason for Christ to lift a pen straying from what His claim to fame purpose was supposedly about? (I say supposed, as I place myself obviously in the shoes of the non-believer). There was none. Presumably. Christians, true believers in Christ, are strong even unto death in the face of the likes of ISIS to this day.

Jesus was to be focused upon His purpose, HIS PURPOSE, and that alone -- assured, even knowing, that what was to be necessarily recorded WOULD BE. That's all the was needed.

As for the original question. Kenny, what is supposedly the point getting at? That Christ didn't exist? Fat bloody chance. Sorry. That's just stupid, retardary. So what is it that's at the back of your mind. That's a more interesting question. At least, for me in trying to understand a once-believer turned unbeliever as yourself.

claysmithr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:03 am Jesus lived in an Oral culture, back then people could memorize their teachers words, and write them down later.