Evidence for God from Science

stuartcr wrote:Basically not predestination

You seem to be implying just that.

Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

Sorry, now I understand where you are coming from.

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

Why do you think it means that? Why couldn't an omniscient God allow people choices?

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

I used to struggle with this question and this has been debated here before, a lot some few years back.

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

It seems that the definition you use is not the same as what Paul uses, or others here.

Just wanted to clarify this.

RickD wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

Why do you think it means that? Why couldn't an omniscient God allow people choices?

I really don't know why God does what He does. He just made me this way.

1over137 wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

It seems that the definition you use is not the same as what Paul uses, or others here.

Just wanted to clarify this.

That's pretty much what always happens in these discussions when people have different references. I think that's why men have always had and will always have these discussions.

stuartcr wrote:

RickD wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

Why do you think it means that? Why couldn't an omniscient God allow people choices?

I really don't know why God does what He does. He just made me this way.

So basically, you really have no reason to believe an omniscient God can't allow humans the ability to make choices, correct?

I don't really think of reason when I consider peoples beliefs in God and these subjects. Most religions have parts of them or stories, that are not reasonable, yet many still believe in them. I think how each individuals sees God, is strictly between them and God. I believe that God has no problem dealing with each of us on an individual basis.

stuartcr wrote:

RickD wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

Why do you think it means that? Why couldn't an omniscient God allow people choices?

I really don't know why God does what He does. He just made me this way.

God didn't make you any way at all, He didn't make you, you were born of your mother and father.
God stopped making people a LONG time ago.

PaulSacramento wrote:

stuartcr wrote:

RickD wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

Why do you think it means that? Why couldn't an omniscient God allow people choices?

I really don't know why God does what He does. He just made me this way.

God didn't make you any way at all, He didn't make you, you were born of your mother and father.
God stopped making people a LONG time ago.

Byblos wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:

stuartcr wrote:

RickD wrote:

stuartcr wrote:Sorry, got it backwards. Free will/choices to me, means having the ability to do something that God does not know ahead of time we will do. That is why I do not believe it exists.

Why do you think it means that? Why couldn't an omniscient God allow people choices?

I really don't know why God does what He does. He just made me this way.

God didn't make you any way at all, He didn't make you, you were born of your mother and father.
God stopped making people a LONG time ago.

You seem surprised.

PaulSacramento wrote:You seem surprised.

Very. I'm sure you have your reasons why you're saying that but it just sounds like something a deist would say.

Byblos wrote:

PaulSacramento wrote:You seem surprised.

Very. I'm sure you have your reasons why you're saying that but it just sounds like something a deist would say.

Or an evolutionist...