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I know we've seen a lot of NDE information, but this is a 2015 examination by the Atlantic and is very inclusive of all angles. It's a really nice compendium of discussions in here... so far. The first few paragraphs are unremarkable, but the following all are... a very good read.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/arc ... es/386231/
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New study does not disagree that they are real, but not "real" in the way that
some think..

http://ki.se/en/news/brain-scan-reveals ... y-illusion
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Audie wrote:New study does not disagree that they are real, but not "real" in the way that
some think..

http://ki.se/en/news/brain-scan-reveals ... y-illusion
That is not the samething Audie.
Those were illusions induced in an active brain.
NDE ( some not all I think) happen when there is NO brain activity at all.
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PaulSacramento wrote:
Audie wrote:New study does not disagree that they are real, but not "real" in the way that
some think..

http://ki.se/en/news/brain-scan-reveals ... y-illusion
That is not the samething Audie.
Those were illusions induced in an active brain.
NDE ( some not all I think) happen when there is NO brain activity at all.
Some but not all. No detected brain activity?

I wonder how you would define "dead".

The legal / medical definition has specific purposes.

You end up with "dead" but in a reversible state, and dead-dead, like, squashed possum on the highway dead.

In between there seem to be a lot of grey areas.
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Some of them were clinically dead. How much more dead can you be?
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Storyteller wrote:Some of them were clinically dead. How much more dead can you be?
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Storyteller wrote:Some of them were clinically dead. How much more dead can you be?
If you visit the site of Ask A Mortician, you'll see that the whole body takes about 2 days to die. The cells responsible for the growth of hair and nails, as well as other useless stuff, are the last to be taken by the Grim Reaper.

NDEs pose a peculiar problem to atheists, so don't expect them to ever accept "clinical death" as being as "real" as squashed-on-the-road death.

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Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Storyteller wrote:Some of them were clinically dead. How much more dead can you be?
If you visit the site of Ask A Mortician, you'll see that the whole body takes about 2 days to die. The cells responsible for the growth of hair and nails, as well as other useless stuff, are the last to be taken by the Grim Reaper.

NDEs pose a peculiar problem to atheists, so don't expect them to ever accept "clinical death" as being as "real" as squashed-on-the-road death.

FL y:D
Its got nothing to do with being an atheist, You might possibly consider not trying to get a dig in at every non-opportunity. Might, that is.


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Audie wrote:Its got nothing to do with being an atheist, You might possibly consider not trying to get a dig in at every non-opportunity. Might, that is.
It has everything to do with being an atheist. You might try to turn your brain ON next time you post. Try, that is!

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Audie wrote:
Its got nothing to do with being an atheist, You might possibly consider not trying to get a dig in at every non-opportunity. Might, that is.
Yes FL, get it right. She's agnostic. y#-o
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Audie,
There has to be something left of the person to be able to tell the tale.
Otherwise we would never know.
Clinically dead as in Doctors agreeing they were dead.
Legally, medicaly.
Thats why its news.
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RickD wrote:
Audie wrote:
Its got nothing to do with being an atheist, You might possibly consider not trying to get a dig in at every non-opportunity. Might, that is.
Yes FL, get it right. She's agnostic. y#-o
Agnostic, Smagnostic. The Bible lumps all unbelievers into one category: Unbelievers. These people claim that the God of the Bible isn't God. Whatever :flyingspaghetti: Audie believes in stinks in the nostrils of God.

'nuff said. I have resolved to be polite and loving.

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Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
RickD wrote:
Audie wrote:
Its got nothing to do with being an atheist, You might possibly consider not trying to get a dig in at every non-opportunity. Might, that is.
Yes FL, get it right. She's agnostic. y#-o
Agnostic, Smagnostic. The Bible lumps all unbelievers into one category: Unbelievers. These people claim that the God of the Bible isn't God. Whatever :flyingspaghetti: Audie believes in stinks in the nostrils of God.

'nuff said. I have resolved to be polite and loving.

FL y:D
But the bible says that those that say there is no God, are fools. Audie ain't no fool. She's just a little slow in coming around. But she'll get there. :sunny:
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RickD wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
RickD wrote:
Audie wrote:
Its got nothing to do with being an atheist, You might possibly consider not trying to get a dig in at every non-opportunity. Might, that is.
Yes FL, get it right. She's agnostic. y#-o
Agnostic, Smagnostic. The Bible lumps all unbelievers into one category: Unbelievers. These people claim that the God of the Bible isn't God. Whatever :flyingspaghetti: Audie believes in stinks in the nostrils of God.

'nuff said. I have resolved to be polite and loving.

FL y:D
But the bible says that those that say there is no God, are fools. Audie ain't no fool. She's just a little slow in coming around. But she'll get there. :sunny:
Does God really want the likes of Audie though?

Can you picture Him being called stupid for doing this and that.
"Why did you invent such foolish things for people to believe in! That's just stupid!"

You know what they say... (Proverbs 21:19) y:-?

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Kurieuo wrote:
RickD wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
RickD wrote:
Audie wrote:
Its got nothing to do with being an atheist, You might possibly consider not trying to get a dig in at every non-opportunity. Might, that is.
Yes FL, get it right. She's agnostic. y#-o
Agnostic, Smagnostic. The Bible lumps all unbelievers into one category: Unbelievers. These people claim that the God of the Bible isn't God. Whatever :flyingspaghetti: Audie believes in stinks in the nostrils of God.

'nuff said. I have resolved to be polite and loving.

FL y:D
But the bible says that those that say there is no God, are fools. Audie ain't no fool. She's just a little slow in coming around. But she'll get there. :sunny:
Does God really want the likes of Audie though?

Can you picture Him being called stupid for doing this and that.
"Why did you invent such foolish things for people to believe in! That's just stupid!"

You know what they say... (Proverbs 21:19) y:-?

:troll:
Could you imagine Audie putting God on her ig list? :shock:
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


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-Edward R Murrow




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